Bye Macy. :(

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PinkLady;3548847; said:
I did, and as much as I miss her, I'm thankful for the knowledge I've gained and the help you guys have given.

Today's a sad day for a lot of people. I just got a call from my parents, their two 18" koi just passed away today too. They're a breeding pair that have been together since they were little and are very bonded, so we're thinking one died first and the other got immensely upset and also died. They get brought inside every year for the winter, my dad has a massive indoor pond set up to house them during the cold months, and we always have to transport the two large ones together -- if you take one out first and not the other, the remaining one freaks out wondering where its mate went. They've been together about 10 years. It's just really depressing.

Wow. I had no idea big goldfish were that intelligent or emotional. So sorry to hear of your and your parents' losses.

When it comes to rays, a little research (and by a little I mean a whole lot) goes a long way. Around here we learned that the hard way, too. We lost a ray to a medication mishap due to bad advice from a store owner (who, stupifyingly enough, had also bred stingrays).
 
Koi are more intelligent than people think. I don't think it's emotion that bonds them, at least not in the way we process it. But those 2 stuck together like glue and always had to be within eyesight of each other. They always cruised the ponds side-by-side, the male always a little bit behind the female. One year my dad's big net broke and he had to use a small one to transport them from the indoor pond to the outdoor one in the spring, and when he scooped out the male first and went outside, the female jumped clear out of the pond and landed on the floor. He found her when he came back in, a few seconds more and it would have been too late. There are 7 other koi in the group but neither of these two ever paid any attention to the others.

I did do a lot of research before buying Macy -- unfortunately 90% of it was regarding "freshwater stingrays", which I later found out the majority of which didn't apply to Sabinas because they weren't strictly freshwater. I then had to figure stuff out as I went and adapt. She did fine for a few months until I bought some new sand that I got some bad advice on, and after that, it was all downhill from there. It just sucks all around.
 
PinkLady;3552784; said:
Koi are more intelligent than people think. I don't think it's emotion that bonds them, at least not in the way we process it. But those 2 stuck together like glue and always had to be within eyesight of each other. They always cruised the ponds side-by-side, the male always a little bit behind the female. One year my dad's big net broke and he had to use a small one to transport them from the indoor pond to the outdoor one in the spring, and when he scooped out the male first and went outside, the female jumped clear out of the pond and landed on the floor. He found her when he came back in, a few seconds more and it would have been too late. There are 7 other koi in the group but neither of these two ever paid any attention to the others.

I did do a lot of research before buying Macy -- unfortunately 90% of it was regarding "freshwater stingrays", which I later found out the majority of which didn't apply to Sabinas because they weren't strictly freshwater. I then had to figure stuff out as I went and adapt. She did fine for a few months until I bought some new sand that I got some bad advice on, and after that, it was all downhill from there. It just sucks all around.

That is very endearing; if I didn't have to sacrifice stingray living space, I would get some koi just for that.

Again, so sorry about the loss of your ray. Hopefully you won't get down too much. You can get very attached to the little suckers- all of ours have names, and their personalities (while alien to normal mammal patters) are complex and deeply moving. I know a loss hurts, and I hope you the very best with ray keeping in the future. :)
 
That's one thing I noticed about the entire experience, how attached I got to a "fish". Probably because she really didn't seem like a fish, she didn't just mindlessly swim around a tank. Her personality was similar to my snakes in that she seemed to recognize me and learned to trust me when I'd work in the tank. She would come up to the top for food and take it very gently, not all crazy like when she'd eat off the substrate. She's also turn up her nose while I rubbed the underside of it because it must have felt good. She would stay like that for 20 minutes while I did it. That's what I miss. :(

I do want to get another Sabina, but not until I have a massive tank and the ability to get proper top of the line filtration. I'm absolutely hooked on that particular species, and it's worth the work to me now that I know the personality they're capable of. With the knowledge I've gained (although I wish I knew it before I bought Macy), I'm going to make sure this doesn't happen again.

In the meantime, I turned the tank into a saltwater set up -- replaced all the mechanical media, kept the bio media since it'll carry over as the previous water was almost salt anyway, and bought a protein skimmer. I added 2 bags of live sand/crushed coral and it's cycling while I'm in Missouri for 2 weeks. Picked out my list of cool little neon-colored raver fish to eventually put in it. LOL!
 
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