Came across this online and curious- PLEASE ID

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I know you seem to be going mantilla, but it still may be a marbled Motoro. Their paterns vary A LOT. It's freshwater.


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you have any evidence of a marble motoro that looks like this one? all the marble motoros i seen is no where close to this species.

just want a firm ID, but it seems to be a mantilla so far.
 
Def not marble, it is either a hybrid or a mantilla, some people believe mantilla are natural hybrids, I have imported some mantilla directly from brazil and they vary quite a bit but I would agree mantilla or hybrid.
 
def not a motoro in anyway. Whats the tail shape? hard to see it clearly in the pic and does it have spines on the tail? how many rows of spines if so?
 
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