to be honest with you guys i was considering either seaclone or red sea because of the price and ended up getting the red sea for free.which works out for me so i could focus money elsewhere,like live rock and livestock.i do value your guy's advice so dont think i ask you questions for nothing.i read alot of reveiws on this red sea.its about half and half for pros and cons,i had this skimmer before so i already know what im dealing with.thanks again to everone once again for responding.have a nice night.