Can duckweed choke out a tank?

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yes... but its not the end of the world and chances are you will scoop it out long before your fish are in any danger from this happening..

ive had an assortment of duckweed/frogbit/water cabbage that has been over 3" thick.. the tank is outdoors and has been over 90 degrees for weeks on end.. ive never had an issue... i do run a very small air pump which i have left off several times and ive never had an issue..
 
Noto;3712040; said:
Not true. Plants actually use more O2 during the day when they are more metabolically active, but offset it with O2 production so that there is a net output of O2.

Yes, but it doesn't become a problem until lights out when o2 output is drastically reduced if not stopped all together. They may require more o2 during the day, but I wouldn't consider it "consuming" when they put off more than they take in (at least when we are talking about the overall well being of the tank).
 
Noto;3712013; said:
True, but...duckweed does all its gas exchange with the atmosphere through the stomata on the upper surfaces of its thalli. It does not draw O2 (or CO2) directly from the water, but it does reduce the amount of water surface area exposed to the atmosphere and so can indirectly reduce gas exchange rates. Dead plants and debris also create biological oxygen demand when they are consumed by bacteria.

I suggest you add an airstone as recommended above, and also net out the duckweed periodically so it doesn't entirely cover the water surface.

I guess this post went over everyone's head. If true, duckweed will not consume oxygen in the water. It consumes atmospheric oxygen. It does however reduce oxygen exchange at the surface. I think people should stop dwelling on the fact that plants consume oxygen because it does not apply to duckweed.

I have duckweed in my breeding oscar tank with two sponge filters and the results are astonishing. The water quality is great and their hole in the head has vanished. They breed like crazy (when I turn the temperature up) and enjoy life night and day. I periodically feed the duckweed to my goldfish who slurp the stuff up and crap green for days. I have lights on only part of the goldfish tank so that the duckweed does not take over and I feel I control my duckweed population pretty well.
 
It can, just make sure there is enough o2 for the plant and fish
 
Simple answer: Yes. Most of the time.
Not-So-Simple answer: Yes, if there's no control on their growth.

For example, I have a heavily planted 30T with lots of fishes. This tank has minimal tech support, only a pair of air-driven floss-box filters and a set of strong lights on timers. Aside from plant-specific substrate and fish wastes, there's no added fertilizers. The concept behind this tank is a mostly self-sustaining tank with minimum gear attached to it. The plant, and to a lesser extent the micro-fauna, provides the filtration to eliminate animal wastes. The filters are there only to provide water flow and remove the larger particle (only for aesthetic reasons).

I don't have too much duckweed problem (so far, lol). I think that's due to several factors:

1) The water flow from the two filter box goes up the rear corners then to the front's center region. This flow pushes the duckweeds and other floating plants to the front. This means that they are no longer directly under the lights, which is located across the rear of the tank's top. Incidentally, this also clears about half of the water surface, this helps gas exchange which probably mostly occurs in the rear corner areas, where most of the surface agitation is.

2) The tank is also tightly sealed and it's heated to about 78degF, the airspace (4"H) in the top of the tank is actually quite humid. I actually have condensation running down the inside glass surfaces. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've heard that duckweeds prefer slightly cooler and not as humid environment? If so, that'd be a factor too.

3) As for the plants being consumed by the fishes. Considering the species in the tank I think, at least for this tank, it's not a factor. I currently have 22 Glass Bloodfin tetras, 18 Gold Neon tetras, 3 otos, 1 ringed loach, and about a dozen glass shrimps. None of which are plant eaters, with the possible exception of the otos, but they seem to prefer working on the plants and glass sides. The glass shrimp seems more interested in the detritus along bottom rather than swim nearly 2' to top of tank for duckweeds.

Yes, I know that's VERY heavy fish load, even for a 30T, but this tank's an experiment based on an 'impossible' tank setup I've read in a major fish magazine. This tank had nearly 40 fishes of various types (barbs, rasboras, tetras, loaches, otos) in addition to lots of shrimps. The idea is to have a balanced tank with minimal equipment that is mostly self-sustaining (feeding once every few days).

Btw, I plan to rehome the neons to a 16T tank, mainly due to a different unforseen problem. I love the sight of a large school of fishes keeping to a tight pack. However, I've noticed that while the glass bloodfins was schooling nicely and likewise the gold neons, when put in the same tank, they tend to mix up and spread out almost randomly. I'm going to set up a similar tank setup for the neons (complete with duckweeds too, i suspect).

For your information, my tank started out with 5 sword plants (not sure which species, but I got them for cheap at, of all places, Walmart), 2 E. vesuvius (actually now Helanthium vesuvius), 2 E. tenellus (again, Helanthium tenellus), 2 Sagittarius terres, 2 S. spp (unidentified specific species, but it's definitely a sag). Yes, the planted tank is also a SA tank too. :)

Now the 5 swords are all larger (leaf-countwise), H. vesuvius is growing runners like crazy, both sags are also shooting runners. Initially I thought I was going to lose the two H. tenellus, since the leaves were dying and both was down to 1 or no green leaves left. Recently noticed the 1 leaf on one seems to be recovering from it's damage in-transit plus new roots are forming out of the rosette. The other appeared dead until, of all thing, a runner poked out of the mass and started growing out to the side. I just picked up a bucket full of Cabomba carolinianas and will be planting them along the back of the tank tomorrow.

Hmm, gotten carried away again. Gnite y'all.
 
congofeet;3713683; said:
I periodically feed the duckweed to my goldfish who slurp the stuff up and crap green for days. I have lights on only part of the goldfish tank so that the duckweed does not take over and I feel I control my duckweed population pretty well.

Hey, now that's what i call "why didn't I think of that" category! I got a 20L tank with 9 of them. Getting a separate fish food that is heavy on greens (like the old Tetra Spirulina) is expensive, while I have tons of duckweed in one of my plant grow-out tank. I've been dumping some in my SA livebearer tank with guppies, mollies and platies, who seems to enjoy them. Thank you for reminding me that goldfishes are actually vegetarians with omnivorous tendencies!
 
Yeah, goldfish will demolish duckweed. I have two large turtle tanks side-by-side, one with a common snapper and one with two sliders and several goldfish. The snapper tank is constantly overrun with Wolffia (smallest of the duckweeds), which I periodically scoop out and toss into the other tank. Half a gallon of duckweed disappears in a couple of days. I have never seen the sliders eat the stuff; I think it is all the goldfish's doing.
 
When I read the title to this thread I was going to respond because I use duckweed in a few of my tanks but after reading the posts I feel like a 4 year old watching Jeopardy. I guess I'll just say I like duckweed.
 
thanks for all the replies! I have been building an acrylic "on top of tank" algae scrubber for these guys tank, it will be powerd by my FX5, and "spill" into the tank kinda like an HOB. So I wont be worried about the O2 content of the water in a couple days when everything is done drying. :headbang2
 
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