i would pm king el and ask how hes accomplished it, i know 1 other who coms their aba here but cant remember who atm. under 12" and they are delicate fish, over and they will kill alot of fish. mine too kills feeders he doesnt eat over night. btw a 180 would be fine for likely 2yrs or more before needing bigger. the one time i tried comming my aba with a pike cichlid, the cichlid beat him up.... abas can and will get pwned by aggressive tankmates....