Can you help ID this fish.

[jgentry]

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406343&page=17

Here is a picture of what has been in the hobby as A. Nourissati for a while. Most are coming from Florida fish farms so who knows though.

 

[Modest_Man]

I'm still very unsure about calling that a nourissati. It is much chunkier and shorter bodied then any nourissati I have ever seen pictured or in person. Also most nourissati tend to show one main black blotch on there side with very light to now barring as adults. The one you pictured showed very strong barring.

Plus the Growouts that you posted on the ACA site look nothing like the adult you pictured here. So either what is normally seen in the hobby sold as nourissati is not the right fish or your fish is not. This still does not explain how your fry from the pictured fish look completely different and several of them even from the same spawn seem to have different traits. This is why I feel they are probably a mix.

I'm definately interested to see if this ever gets sorted out. Some misteries go unsolved though.

I don't think it is that cut an dry. There have been fish in the hobby for decades that are misslabled by some of the most known collectors. Identification can often be extremely difficult. Plus once the collector ships them who knows how they get mislabled or swapped around from that point forward. My question would be if this fish is A. Nourissati then what is the fish currently circulating in the hobby labled as A. Nourissati becuase they certainly do not look the same at all.

Simple fact is that there are a few A. Nourissati pics that resemble this fish on the web but the largest majority look nothing like this fish. The 3rd pic you posted cichlidfish a lot closer to what we normally see. It is longer bodied, slimmer, shows some red, and not nearly the barring. To add to the confusion the fish pictured is supposed to be part of a pair that spawned. The OP has fry from this spawn that look almost nothing like the parents as grown adults.

Who knows for sure. I'd email the pics of the parent and there offspring to Rusty and see if he did collect them or knows more info. That's your best of gettting an answer.

I agree fully.

 

[cichlidfish]

I don't think it is that cut an dry. There have been fish in the hobby for decades that are misslabled by some of the most known collectors. Identification can often be extremely difficult. Plus once the collector ships them who knows how they get mislabled or swapped around from that point forward. My question would be if this fish is A. Nourissati then what is the fish currently circulating in the hobby labled as A. Nourissati becuase they certainly do not look the same at all.

Simple fact is that there are a few A. Nourissati pics that resemble this fish on the web but the largest majority look nothing like this fish. The 3rd pic you posted cichlidfish a lot closer to what we normally see. It is longer bodied, slimmer, shows some red, and not nearly the barring. To add to the confusion the fish pictured is supposed to be part of a pair that spawned. The OP has fry from this spawn that look almost nothing like the parents as grown adults.

Who knows for sure. I'd email the pics of the parent and there offspring to Rusty and see if he did collect them or knows more info. That's your best of gettting an answer.

I agree with this, but a. nourissati really varries when it comes to shape and color. It is hard to tell.

 

[wantokeeptrout]

If i had to guess id say a severum of some sort

 

[Calihawk]

Red Terror.

Eh??? Red Terror?
That is definitely not a Festae nor is it a mix of Festae

 

[phillykid]

looks like a synspilum to me.

 

[jjacobs]

thats exactly what my JDxRT look like!

 

[doctor horn]

synspilumx2

 

[Jason_S]

Wow, this fish is in no way even close to a severum, red terror, mayan, sysnpilum, flowerhorn or many of the other suggestions. I could maybe see bocourti from someone unfamiliar with the Astatheros group.

My first thought was either A. nourisatti or A. rostratus. I agree that they can be difficult to distinguish and it will take someone with a lot of experience with this group. I would try to get a reply from Aquamojo or Bigguapote (Jeff Rapps) though I'm not sure how many of the group Mojo has kept. From what I can tell he seems to be more into the Herichthys group, Viejas and the red devil complex. I know he's kept robertsoni but not sure what others.

Another option would be to send a pic of the fish to Juan Miguel from www.cichlidae.com who would probably be the best person to ask unless anyone knows how to contact Rusty Wessel. I think even Rusty would agree though that Juan Miguel is perhaps one of the most knowledgeable people in the world when it comes to the cichlids of Mexico. You could also join www.cichlidae.com and post the picture in the forum for help with ID.

 

[BigPic]

I was going to say Nourrissati, but, they look different than the ones that I had. Mine were from Rusty, but, from a different group. A couple shots for comparison. . .