ok great yeah he e-mailed back said they are 6 and shipping will be 9 but that they are still too little to tell male from female (.5-1in) so i may get a couple and grow little bit and then find homes for the others, though not sure will see may just stick with stocklist already in mind as once theyre all grown my tank will def be fully stocked..... thanks for all the advice though there are some pretty awesome looking native fish out there