Certain fish tgroupings (PLease respond)

[FlipIconic010]

OK everyone this is my first decision on what type of fish i would want to put together and a set up:
Also is the rule for each fish inch that it grows per gallon so inch/gallon
ex: 3 inch = 3 galons

First groupings:
Copperhead Butterfly~3 inches
Long Nose Butterfly~3 inches
Royal Gramma~2 inches
Percula clown~2 inches
Bule Tang (dory from finding nemo)~3-4 inches
Yellow Tang~2-3inches
(~14 inches of fish all in a twenty gallon ok with one large peice of live rock to mount anemone for clown and maybe decorations if needed)

IF ANY SUGGESTIONS PLEASE RIGHT BACK: AS U CAN SEE ITS A FINDING NEMO STYLE TANK

 

[Ornatapinnis]

THis should be posted in the salt water section;

THe percula clowns and the Royal Gramma should do ok in a 30 assuming it is set up properly. The other fish listed do poorly in small aquariums.

 

[3_racer]

ok. first i wouldnt put two butterflys together. the better of the two would be the yellow longnose butterfly (Focipiger flavissimus) that one is more hardy. second the blue tang needs a lot more swimming room than a 30gal. about a 75 or bigger and the yellow tang and the blue tang will fight unless you have a very large tank like a 200 or larger. the whole inch per gallon stands for freshwater doesnt really work well for salt. your butterflys will get about 8 inches each your tangs will get about 8-12 inches your royal gramma will get about 3 inches your clown will get about 3.5 inches. not to add that your blue tang needs a lot of swimming room. i would suggest getting a good book to learn about behaviors and sugessted tank sizes. i would suggest MARINE FISHES 500+ essential-to-know aquarium species by: Scott W. Michael. this is an excellent source for finding what the compatibility issues are. but as a rule of thumb dont put two tangs together unless you add them at the same time. but good luck

 

[Ornatapinnis]

I don't agree with most of that reply.....

Butterfly fish do mix together very well. Very seldom is there a problem with mixing them. The only butterfly that comes to mind that has been agressive in my past experiance is the semilarvatus. I have found copperband butterfly to be easier to keep than yellow longnose.

I agree that a blue hep needs much more space to do well. But so will a yellow and so would the butterfly fish. Blue hep tangs and yellow tangs mix together very well more time than not. THey are differant enough a specie that they normally don't fight. YOu can mix them in a 4 foot tank easily, you don't need a 200 gallon to keep them together.

THe inch of fish per gallon theory is not OK for freshwater, it is completly wrong.

Good advise on the book......

 

[jimk]

The one inch per gallon rule only applies with smaller bodied fish, like the royal gramma. I would say with wider bodied fish the amount of gallons per inch increases exponentially. The classic example is the 1 inch Oscar versus the 10 inch Oscar. The amount of waste given off by the larger fish may be as much as 100x more. Thus, the usual recommendation of a 100 gallon tank for a 10 inch fish. The same applies to saltwater, especially since a lot of the larger fish, like Butterflies, need all that swimming room.

 

[3_racer]

my yellow tang has killed a powder blue tang a blue hep a naso (twice its size i might add) a foxface rabbitfish a red sea sailfin that was almost three times its size and a longnose butterfly. i dont sugesst putting any tang in with a yellow. my tang even picks on my orbit bat and he is well over four times the bats size. if you want to mix tangs dont put a yellow tang in there. i've never had any luck keeping any butterfly alive for more than two weeks other than my long nose that i had for a little over two years until i added my tang.

 

[3_racer]

oh and you would sugesst putting a blue hep in a tank that is only 48" long. yah no! dude they get over 12" long that leaves them no swimming room if you have any live rock in there. i'm sorry put if you think that a 12" fish that is used to the ocean is ok in a 48" tank there is something wrong with you.

 

[Ornatapinnis]

Defensive aren't we?

Your basing your opinion on your personal experiance with a very limited number of fish. Your correct that some fish can be over the top aggressive but they don't represent the entire specie.

I am basing my opinion on litterally 100's of experiances with these fish. I have been in the salt water business for many years and still am. I am responsible for over 40 aquariums in peoples home & business, many that contain multiple tangs. I have several aquariums at my shop that contain more than one specie of tang and regulary do. I have had many species of tangs mixed together in my personal aquariums for many years at a time on many occasions. I have been in the salt water hoby for almost 20 years.

I'm not getting in a pissing mach with you, believe and practice what you like but there's no need to be a jerk about it.

 

[3_racer]

ok what ever dude. i'm no newbie to the scene either. in my opinion its not a good idea to put two tangs together. thats just personal experience. i've being keeping fish sence i can remember. my first tank i got on my fourth birthday. and i've been keeping salt for about the past 10 or so years. i've had to down size my tanks because my 500 started to leak and i havent had the money to replace it. i spend my money on rescuing reptiles than on my tanks now. so whatever.

 

[Don4921]

u guys need to chill ur suppose to help him not confuse him

I have had saltwater for 5 years and have had a few tangs that were over agressive than others so basically if you observe the fishand he is not being attacked than he will be alright just keep in eye on him
If he is being attacked, remove them both and try to reintroduce them both into the tank at the same time. hope this helps! Goodluck!