Both these guys are Moderaters here and know their stuff Lupen bein one and Oddball the othe other ..Lupen i have went to when stumped on a disease or treatment that should have worked but did not I had not heard of this afflition of the scale or skin-And i would not listen to just anybody i wrote the name down and was going to ivestigate was just curious who or what you based the diagnosis on...Monoculus;4754850; said:Lupen- oddball? Sorry i'm not following, never heard of Lupen- oddball...