LOL.. thanks for the compliment but I am second to non. Nor am I first in anything. This is not a competition on who's on top, second or third. I keep what I want to keep and aqua scape my tank the way I see fit. All this comparison is really getting old. Your comparing apples and oranges. There are folks out there who keep way better CICHLA's than both Dmack & I that has yet to be seen. I am sure when Dmack had set up his tank it wasn't about trying to be on top and show someone out. It was his dedication and his love of PBASS. As it is with all PBASS keepers. More than anything the pictures I post hopefully inspire and motivate people to get into PBASS. The more demand for pbass the better chances importers will try their best to get them to us.