Climate cooling strikes again

[kingkarter]

I didn't say you were. I was just musing out loud.

The rational person will agree with scientific facts. Which of those facts do you disagree with? Because there is science behind them and I would have no trouble finding several scientific papers supporting those facts.

Oh ok


i do agree with some of the stuff but not all of it. For exaple i agree that we are impacking the environment to a point but i don't agree globle warming is our falt. Because it's happend befor and i don't agree we will die because of it because we lived through it last time. I do agree that we should stop dumping waste in rivers and lakes. But thats because i don't want fish to become exstinct for no reason because of us.

 

[Juxtaroberto]

Oh ok


i do agree with some of the stuff but not all of it. For exaple i agree that we are impacking the environment to a point but i don't agree globle warming is our falt. Because it's happend befor and i don't agree we will die because of it because we lived through it last time. I do agree that we should stop dumping waste in rivers and lakes. But thats because i don't want fish to become exstinct for no reason because of us.

Yes, it has happened before, however, the triggers have almost always been change in insolation (the amount of solar radiation reaching us). For every major warming period, the planet has first warmed up, and then CO2 has been released, a positive feedback loop that results in even more warming. However, the energy from the sun has decreased slightly over the last 20 or so years, and yet the planet keeps warming. Why?

I also agree that we alone cannot cause all these changes, but we aren't. These changes are magnified by positive feedback loops. You put a little CO2 into the air which warms the planet, which thaws marshes and releases methane, which also melts ice (ice reflects a lot of solar radiation back into space) so that the oceans warm, and water's high specific heat makes it great for trapping massive amounts of heat.

 

[krzr3000]

I know it was a few pages back. But i think mistrust in science comes from the uneducated, the conspiracy theorists, the paranoid, and the outright ignorant influenced by politics. When i say uneducated i'm talking about those who resent anyone with an education for whatever reason.

I blame greenwashing and slacktivism. Big polluters using deceptive "green" "eco friendly" marketing is so dumb.

 

[dogofwar]

There is a concerted - and well funded - effort by interests from the fossil-fuel industry (and associated think tanks...funded primarily by the billionaire Koch brothers and Exxon) to discredit and make it appear that their isn't scientific consensus around the reality of global warming (and man's role).


The Union of Concerned Scientists, in their expose titled: Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air - How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco's Tactics to Manufacture Uncertainty on Climate Science (2007) show how ExxonMobil waged the most successful and sophisticated global warming denial campaign since that of Big Tobacco's campaign against the dangers of smoking. In their 64 page document, they show that ExxonMobil:

1. Manufactured uncertainty about climate change by raising doubts about even the most certain science.
2. Used a tactic known as information laundering by using seemingly independent front groups that pretended to be doing science but were instead just waging public relations for the company. Virtually all of these front groups publicize the work of the same people and these people typically serve as board members or scientific advisors for each of these groups. This tactic creates the illusion that there are many organizations and many people with doubts about global warming.
3. Funneled about $16 million to these front groups to manufacture this uncertainty.
4. Paid guilt-less scientists to cherry-pick data and misrepresent peer-reviewed scientific evidence whereby these scientists then used this misinformation to persuade the general public and the media that there was still no scientific consensus.
5. Shifted the focus away from global warming action by questioning if the data was "sound science".
6. Used its extraordinary access to the Bush Administration to block regulation and to shape governmental communications about global warming.

This - for reasons I don't quite understand - has also become a highly partisan issue (http://people-press.org/report/417/a-deeper-partisan-divide-over-global-warming)

"The Pew Center for the People & the Press show that only 27% of Republicans believe that global warming is being caused by humans compared to 58% of Democrats. Even more disturbing, only 19% of Republican college graduates say that there is solid evidence that the earth is warming and it is caused by human activity compared to 88% of Democrats who are college graduates."

Unless you believe that there is a consensus among climate scientists belief that global warming is real (and man-influenced) BECAUSE all climate scientists are Democrats...which they're not (vs. because the science supports this conclusion), then TRUTH is closest to the beliefs of educated Democrats...and (ironically) furthest from those held by educated Republicans.

Matt

I know it was a few pages back. But i think mistrust in science comes from the uneducated, the conspiracy theorists, the paranoid, and the outright ignorant influenced by politics. When i say uneducated i'm talking about those who resent anyone with an education for whatever reason.

I blame greenwashing and slacktivism. Big polluters using deceptive "green" "eco friendly" marketing is so dumb.