Cloudy problem please help!

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don't jurupari need water in the 7.0ph or higher range??? I think they are gravel diggers to if I remember??
 
don't jurupari need water in the 7.0ph or higher range??? I think they are gravel diggers to if I remember??
They do? I did some research before and most of the research are saying that they can be in the ph of 6 -7.5? Well the info could be wrong or they will do better at the ph 7 or above? Yes they are digger but they do fine with fine gravel.
 
Your pH is fine.
With a 1ppm Ammonia reading, it means the tank hasn't finished cycling yet.
What process did you use to try and cycle it.
Fish less, by adding pure ammonia to a water filled tank with no fish?
Or just adding the Geos after letting it sit a while?
You have a bacterial bloom because it hasn't finished cycling.
The bacteria are too small to filter, so they just pass thru the media.
When the tank actually reaches a proper bacterial equilibrium, it will clear on its own, you can't rush it. It may take a few more weeks to clear.
Don't add any more fish.
You could add plants, that might slightly help.
 
I agree on it's probably a bacteria bloom, which is caused by a different class of bacteria (heterotrophic) than the primary bacteria you're trying to cultivate, multiplies much faster, can multiply in minutes rather than hours. The heterotrophic bacteria aren't all bad, when in balance they break down solid waste and process nitrate.

Some questions are in order. 3 month old tank, but how long has it had fish? What size tank and what's your filtration? Have you changed out any media or have you left it alone? Sounds like water is clear for a while, then clouds back up-- when does this happen? How long does it stay cloudy? Cloudy water for a few hours but then it clears up can happen and isn't really a problem. Staying cloudy is different, often a clue your nitrifying bacteria colony is not mature yet and your tank needs a chance to balance out.

As to pH, the following or similar is well documented in reliable literature:
http://www.bioconlabs.com/nitribactfacts.html
pH
The optimum pH range for Nitrosomonas is between 7.8-8.0.

The optimum pH range for Nitrobacter is between 7.3-7.5

Nitrobacter will grow more slowly at the high pH levels typical of marine aquaria and preferred by African Rift Lake Cichlids. Initial high nitrite concentrations may exist. At pH levels below 7.0, Nitrosomonas will grow more slowly and increases in ammonia may become evident. Nitrosomonas growth is inhibited at a pH of 6.5. All nitrification is inhibited if the pH drops to 6.0 or less. Care must be taken to monitor ammonia if the pH begins to drop close to 6.5. At this pH almost all of the ammonia present in the water will be in the mildly toxic, ionized NH3+ state.

Some basic thoughts:
1. There's a trade-off, ammonia is less toxic with pH in the 6s, but low ph also slows down nitrifying bacteria growth and activity. When you're trying to initially cycle a tank, too low pH slows down the process. Adding bio-load to a low pH tank is trickier than a tank with pH in the 7s in the respect that your bacteria colony responds more slowly.

2. Don't know the history of setting up your tank, but there's a misconception some have about cycling, which is that you reach a point where your tank is "cycled" and you're good to go from then on. Doesn't work that way, what happens is you reach a point of equilibrium between nitrifying bacteria and waste input. Low waste input, small bacteria colony, higher waste input, bigger bacteria colony.

3. This is opinion based on personal experience, not science, but what I learned to do years ago with a jumpy tank is basically as little as possible until the tank reaches a balance. Don't mess with the media unless it's to add some mature media. Do a minimum of water changes, unless an ammonia emergency requires more. Feed lightly. Water clarifier is okay (Acurel is the only one I ever found effective) and can actually help the process ime. Not a requirement, but an option ime. Without getting technical about why, imo heterotrophic bacterial blooms interfere somewhat with your primary nitrifying bacteria, clearing the tank with clarifier (don't overdo it) seems to limit this disruption.

4. All in all a mature, settled, balanced tank doesn't go haywire that easily. It takes some patience to get there if you're getting bacteria blooms, a certain amount of letting nature work it's magic. As Duane says, you can't rush it and panicking and doing too much can actually interfere.

5. My opinion, again, but jurapari are fine in pH over 7, I don't see the need to keep them in the 6s. I did softwater, low pH tanks for years, but they're not necessary for most fish. Not many fish actually require the same pH as their home territory, most adapt well to a wider range of pH and, in fact, if their native pH is low, unless they're wild caught, the chances are low they've ever seen their low native pH. Nothing wrong with it, but except the few fish that breed better in low pH, keeping a low pH tank is more about being a purist than something the fish actually require.
 
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I am pretty sure is the substrates because when I was filling up the tank during the setup process the water got extremely cloudy right away even I pour the water very slowly. Before I put the Flourite into thr tank I already rinse them over and over and it was still very dirty. The water is dark red when I rinse them. Here is the picture of my surface skimmer and my filter. Even my filter and my Eheim surface skimmer still have those dirt on them. The filter I just wiped the red dirt last Saturday so is better but the red already starting to build up on the water fall area. I havent clean the surface skimmer for awhile so the dirt is very thick. You can see my Matrix also have those red dirt on them. I also have those polish pad (filter floss) in my filter and i have to replace them every four days because they will get dark red from the dirt. Also the dirt even build up at the filter pump and the impeller and I have to clean it once in a two weeks because it will causing a start up problem when I unplug then plug in back to the power and causing very noise.

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Actually the filter pump is not working too well now even I clean it once in a two weeks. Sometimes the impeller is doesnt turn when I plug in back to the power. Sometimes I have to plug into the power first then use something to squeeze into that area to move the impeller manually. Filter is a ac 70. You can also see the water is almost the same color with the dirt on the surface skimmer. The surface skimmer is still working good because the water go through a form before reaching the pump. This is the first time I have these kind of cloudy problem and this is my first time using Flourite.
 
Ah, so that's it. I've never used Flourite, but I got some of that setting a tank up with Eco-Complete sand, minus the orange color. Instructions say don't rinse the Eco-Complete, so you get the cloudiness. Ran an old HOT Magnum filter with micron filter cartridges to clear it out. It was years ago, don't remember exactly how long to clear it up, but wasn't that long, big improvement within days. This was a 135 gal tank, smaller tank would have been faster.

If a good clean doesn't straighten your filter out, you might need a new impeller to set it right. Without a micron filter, my guess is the closest thing to clear that out would be fine sponges. I'd suggest running fine sponge in front of bio-media if possible to protect the bio-media from being so coated it becomes ineffective. Keep replacing them until it gets better. Cheaper alternative, a little less efficient, maybe, would be a good bit of poly fluff-- cheap alternative to filter fluff from a lfs is getting a bag of poly pillow stuffing. Walmart has it, or a craft store, probably. Or just get a poly stuffed pillow. Been using it for years, last time I didn't see the fluff so I got a "hypo-allergenic" pillow, fluff inside was gray, worked just fine. Fluff plus flocculent (water clarifier-- again, Acurel is the only one I ever found effective) might be effective.

What size tank?
 
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