Ya know.... I don't think he was BS-ing.... I was bragging about how huge my group of 12-15" or even 16" loaches were... and he just started telling me the story of his childhood. And if ur wondering about my story...My loaches were in a 650 gallon or so tank in my pet store in Rowland Hts California about 10 years ago. I'm sure some of my past clients/friends will back me up on this one. I purchased them thur a transhipper named Dolphin Enterprises for about 100 bucks a pop. They were label as 12" plus...I had about eight of them and my tank seemed very cramped!!!