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Tongue33;1690710; said:
I am currently looking for a large Female Ball..... :D

It's that hard for you to find a large female Ball?

I just got one given to me, by a local college student. He raised her from a hatchling and all the sudden decided he didn't want her anymore.

Most calm, puppy dog snake I've ever had. She's a good 5' and as docile as you'd ever dream.

I'm planning on pairing her with my 8' male albino Burm, next season and hoping to get some Burm/Balls. I know it probably wont happen...but I'm hoping.
 
AW2EOD;1697125; said:
I'm planning on pairing her with my 8' male albino Burm, next season and hoping to get some Burm/Balls. I know it probably wont happen...but I'm hoping.

Ugh...I'm not even going to touch that one.
 
Ophiuchus;1697427; said:
Ugh...I'm not even going to touch that one.

What's wrong with that? Are you one of the people that think it's unethical, to cross breed species?
 
AW2EOD;1699276; said:
What's wrong with that? Are you one of the people that think it's unethical, to cross breed species?

When it comes to species of reptile that would never do this naturally....yes, I am one of those people. I don't really see it as unethical, just unnecessary and frivolous. The only real reasons people do these things is curiousity and/or trying to make money. Both are piss-poor reasons for destroying bloodlines, which no one seems to honor anymore.
 
Ophiuchus;1700179; said:
When it comes to species of reptile that would never do this naturally....yes, I am one of those people. I don't really see it as unethical, just unnecessary and frivolous. The only real reasons people do these things is curiousity and/or trying to make money. Both are piss-poor reasons for destroying bloodlines, which no one seems to honor anymore.
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AW2EOD;1699276; said:
What's wrong with that? Are you one of the people that think it's unethical, to cross breed species?

Nothing wrong with hybrids, but the people and future owners (if it end up changing hand) that end up buying those hybrids are the ones that will forget that they are hybrids.

Remember... every time a hybrid change hand, more of the knowledge of their genetic background is lost. Hell, people are EVEN starting to doubt the purity of their cornsnakes because more and more new entry-breeders are believing Turbo Corns (Gopher Snake x Cornsnake) and Jungle Corns (California Kingsnake x Cornsnake) are just morphs, not hybrids. Is it the breeder's fault? No. It's the previous breeders'/owners' fault for not making it clear they are hybrids. The same can be said about Root Beer Corns and Super Corns.

Now, I have nothing against hybrids, but rather the people that do possess them. Look at Blue-tongued Skinks. It's already a trainwreck. It's damn near impossible, or even impossible, to find pure species. Every pure "Northern" I seen have traits of Irian Jaya or Indonesian in them. Why is this the case? People just don't care, want to produce babies without looking for matching offspring or they didn't bother trying to find out from the previous owner(s).

I found out from one breeder, who originally bred the "Meruake" blue-tongued I was considering buying from another person one time, that the parent pairs were Irian Jaya x Indonesian mix, but the skink I was considering buying somehow transformed into a Meruake Blue-tongued somewhere down the line after it went through a few owners.

Now that being said, I ended up getting an Irian Jaya x Northern mix, but it's because the person did not lie or me nor did he lost track of the genetic history of the skink. If I ever end up breeding him, I will call the offsprings all Blue-tongued Skink hybrids or Tiliqua sp. 'Hybrid'

Hell, I am even picky about locales. Like my female "Nicaraguan" boa doesn't even match the traditional traits of Nicaraguan boas. She fall under the size limit and their temperament, but her pattern remind me more of Costa Rican; however at the time I bought her, everything screamed Nicaraguan until the colour of the patterns changed with the mood. However it might not be the breeder's fault, but rather the importer's fault. See, Costa Rica banned the export of their boas, so a lot of them get smuggled into Nicaragua to be exported. I will have to ask a few boa experts, then decide for myself. If I do breed her, I will just sell the offspring as "Central American boas" since that what they are.

Just my little rant. :D Probably more than what I wanted.
 
Ophiuchus;1700179; said:
When it comes to species of reptile that would never do this naturally....yes, I am one of those people. I don't really see it as unethical, just unnecessary and frivolous. The only real reasons people do these things is curiousity and/or trying to make money. Both are piss-poor reasons for destroying bloodlines, which no one seems to honor anymore.

I'm not thinking about doing it, only for the money. I'm curious...and as I said, I highly doubt it's gonna happen. My main goal is to breed nothing but my Burms. If my Ball takes to my male albino, then so be it. If she doesn't (which is more likely), then that's fine...I'm not gonna be upset about it.

I do agree, however, about what you and Kioka said. When the people who are doing it don't care about future consequences, then I do think it's wrong.
 
AW2EOD;1702434; said:
I'm not thinking about doing it, only for the money. I'm curious...and as I said, I highly doubt it's gonna happen. My main goal is to breed nothing but my Burms. If my Ball takes to my male albino, then so be it. If she doesn't (which is more likely), then that's fine...I'm not gonna be upset about it.

I do agree, however, about what you and Kioka said. When the people who are doing it don't care about future consequences, then I do think it's wrong.
yeah this is realy how i feel too.Im on the search for a Bts and its hard to find a pure one.Myself,I want one that is as close to the wild ones as possible because Im really into their habitats too and thats one of the most apealing things of keeping herps to me.Then all you can find is something from 2 diferent islands all together,sucks.Glad this didnt turn all crappy.Thanks for understanding,now go spread the word,lol.If ppl dont hear it from ppl like us,you included,this will just keep getting worse.Good luck with your animals.
 
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