Considering the switch from fresh to salt...

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RO/DI systems are not necessary at first. But a source of "0"TDS water is.
If your local fish shop sales DI water, your good to go. (mine sales DI water and premixed saltwater)
Later, investing in a RO/DI system will save you money with water changes, but not a must have at first.
But like I said, "0" TDS water is. Tap water will not work. Will cause you nothing but trouble...

Having a saltwater tank is in my opinoon not any harder than freshwater, but not easier either.
Just takes things you have to go to keep up running right..

I myself only run protein skimmers on my saltwater tanks. No canisters or other filters.
Ive been doing freshwater for years and years..
I now am running two salt tanks and getting ready to set up a third.. Ive been into salt for awhile and love it..

Main thing about saltwater is it can be expensice to get set up. But very important you do it the right way the first time..
Things in my opinion needed are:
A good sand bed (either live sand or reef sand) I only do reef bed sand
Protein skimmer (a must)
live rock (a must)
good lighting (if you are doing coral) no need to buy a really esp one if doing a fish only tank


To start:
Buy your substrate
Buy your protein skimmer (either in a sump or a hang on)
Buy a Mag Float glass cleaner (the best thing you will ever buy)
If you are buying DI water from your LFS, buy salt also. (get a 55 gaoon drum or what ever you need to hold the amount of water you need for your tank) Go ahead and buy your water, fill your drum up, add the amount of salt you need and put in a few powerheads to mix it.

Then start shopping around for live rock. Local Fish Shops sale rock form 5.50 a lbs to 7.50 a lbs (so can be expensive)
Live rock is better as your tank will cycle faster, dead rock will make your tank take longer to cycle.
Only benifit to dead rock is it wont have parasites you dont want in your tank, but I prefer live rock and nave never had a problem. Esp if you buy from someone who knew what they were doing
I myself keep looking around Craigslist and buy if off people saling their systems. I just bought 140 lbs for $70 bucks. Thats only 2 dollars a lbs..
When you find your rock. start setting up your tank.
get your skimmer hooked up, add substrate, set your rock up the way you want it (try to keep away from the edge of the glass so its easy to clean the glass with your mag float scruber)
then add your saltwater, get it up and running

Let it start to cycle. After two weeks, have your local pet store test your water weekly. This allows you to keep track of the cycling process. Do 10% water changes weekly
When your tank is cycled. Start adding fish (if planning to have coral later, get reef safe fish) Start doing 15% water changes weekly.
Let your tank be set up with fish for a few months.. If then you want to add coral, start with hardy coral.
Dont get in any hurry with coral. A good cycled tank is a must to keep coral if you want to keep them healthy. Coral is expensive and no reason to get in a hurry and waist money by adding to soon. Still do 15% water changes a week.. Coral do not put out alot of bio..

If after all that. Your tank is up and running.. And you are happy and still want to keep moving forward
Then invest in a RO/DI system. Buy a good one.
Make sure the system states it will provided "0" TDS water.

If you buy one one ebay, make sure you can get filters for it also.
I would also buy an extra set of filters to have on hand.
A good idea is to also get a TDS meter. (pen or inline) (I prefer inline)
This is a must also with a RO/DI system. this will tell you when your waters TDS is. If it gets above "0", time to change the filters.
People buy a RO system simply to save money in the long run. I just ordered mine and in 5 months it will pay for itself. (I got the RO/DI system, extra filters, a pressure meter, a inline TDS meter, two 55 gallon drums, salt and 4 powerheads) In only 5 months will this start paying for itself but will be worth it in the long run. Just not something I needed rt away. Now that i am setting up the 150 fish only salt tank, its cheaper for me now to just get one..

Saltwater tanks are cool. I have now in the house, 24 freshwater tanks, 1 600 gallon stingray pond and 2 (next week 3) saltwater tanks.
I love my freshwater tank (15 are breeder tanks for either breeding fish or feeders) and always will...
But my saltwater tanks are really cool. It gives me more options as to color and fish.. Im sure in time, we will have more.. Do have plans to set up saltwater breeding tanks and holding tanks

Have fun with your saltwater tank. Its an investment. Can be expensive to set one up. But very cool and worth it in the long run..
Be sure to ask questions if you have them.. And study up on the fish and care of them..

This is huge, exactly what Im looking for, thanks a ton !!!!
 
Best just to take it slow and realize their are different ways to skin a cat - pros and cons to every do's and don'ts. There are so few things written in stone when it comes to aquaria but one that is - the only way to know whats in the water and how much is by testing it.

Using a hydrometer to test for Salinity and a basic Saltwater Cycling test kit for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, PH. - This is were you start. Not all Live Rock is fully cultured, not all Live Sand is even alive, most are ammonia bombs to jump start the cycling process without the use of food or by piosoning fish. Cycling with LR alone it took my 210 reef 6 weeks for Nitrates to get down to 20 ppm - safe for fish, then another several months before soft corals, and a few more months beyond that for stoney's - Take it slow, you got time between the advances to get your head around the next step - your test kits will let you know.
 
RO/DI systems are not necessary at first. But a source of "0"TDS water is.
If your local fish shop sales DI water, your good to go. (mine sales DI water and premixed saltwater)
Later, investing in a RO/DI system will save you money with water changes, but not a must have at first.
But like I said, "0" TDS water is. Tap water will not work. Will cause you nothing but trouble...

Having a saltwater tank is in my opinoon not any harder than freshwater, but not easier either.
Just takes things you have to go to keep up running right..

I myself only run protein skimmers on my saltwater tanks. No canisters or other filters.
Ive been doing freshwater for years and years..
I now am running two salt tanks and getting ready to set up a third.. Ive been into salt for awhile and love it..

Main thing about saltwater is it can be expensice to get set up. But very important you do it the right way the first time..
Things in my opinion needed are:
A good sand bed (either live sand or reef sand) I only do reef bed sand
Protein skimmer (a must)
live rock (a must)
good lighting (if you are doing coral) no need to buy a really esp one if doing a fish only tank


To start:
Buy your substrate
Buy your protein skimmer (either in a sump or a hang on)
Buy a Mag Float glass cleaner (the best thing you will ever buy)
If you are buying DI water from your LFS, buy salt also. (get a 55 gaoon drum or what ever you need to hold the amount of water you need for your tank) Go ahead and buy your water, fill your drum up, add the amount of salt you need and put in a few powerheads to mix it.

Then start shopping around for live rock. Local Fish Shops sale rock form 5.50 a lbs to 7.50 a lbs (so can be expensive)
Live rock is better as your tank will cycle faster, dead rock will make your tank take longer to cycle.
Only benifit to dead rock is it wont have parasites you dont want in your tank, but I prefer live rock and nave never had a problem. Esp if you buy from someone who knew what they were doing
I myself keep looking around Craigslist and buy if off people saling their systems. I just bought 140 lbs for $70 bucks. Thats only 2 dollars a lbs..
When you find your rock. start setting up your tank.
get your skimmer hooked up, add substrate, set your rock up the way you want it (try to keep away from the edge of the glass so its easy to clean the glass with your mag float scruber)
then add your saltwater, get it up and running

Let it start to cycle. After two weeks, have your local pet store test your water weekly. This allows you to keep track of the cycling process. Do 10% water changes weekly
When your tank is cycled. Start adding fish (if planning to have coral later, get reef safe fish) Start doing 15% water changes weekly.
Let your tank be set up with fish for a few months.. If then you want to add coral, start with hardy coral.
Dont get in any hurry with coral. A good cycled tank is a must to keep coral if you want to keep them healthy. Coral is expensive and no reason to get in a hurry and waist money by adding to soon. Still do 15% water changes a week.. Coral do not put out alot of bio..

If after all that. Your tank is up and running.. And you are happy and still want to keep moving forward
Then invest in a RO/DI system. Buy a good one.
Make sure the system states it will provided "0" TDS water.

If you buy one one ebay, make sure you can get filters for it also.
I would also buy an extra set of filters to have on hand.
A good idea is to also get a TDS meter. (pen or inline) (I prefer inline)
This is a must also with a RO/DI system. this will tell you when your waters TDS is. If it gets above "0", time to change the filters.
People buy a RO system simply to save money in the long run. I just ordered mine and in 5 months it will pay for itself. (I got the RO/DI system, extra filters, a pressure meter, a inline TDS meter, two 55 gallon drums, salt and 4 powerheads) In only 5 months will this start paying for itself but will be worth it in the long run. Just not something I needed rt away. Now that i am setting up the 150 fish only salt tank, its cheaper for me now to just get one..

Saltwater tanks are cool. I have now in the house, 24 freshwater tanks, 1 600 gallon stingray pond and 2 (next week 3) saltwater tanks.
I love my freshwater tank (15 are breeder tanks for either breeding fish or feeders) and always will...
But my saltwater tanks are really cool. It gives me more options as to color and fish.. Im sure in time, we will have more.. Do have plans to set up saltwater breeding tanks and holding tanks

Have fun with your saltwater tank. Its an investment. Can be expensive to set one up. But very cool and worth it in the long run..
Be sure to ask questions if you have them.. And study up on the fish and care of them..

Wow, that is some amount of aquariums you've got there man!! How long does maintenance take per week and if you don't mind, whats the expense of having that many tanks? Any chance of some pics of your Rays & Marine tanks?? Couldn't have written a better reply than what's been said here by the way!! Spot on!!
 
Wow, that is some amount of aquariums you've got there man!! How long does maintenance take per week and if you don't mind, whats the expense of having that many tanks? Any chance of some pics of your Rays & Marine tanks?? Couldn't have written a better reply than what's been said here by the way!! Spot on!!

I have a schedule on my frig that tells me what tanks to maintain that day and also helps me keep up with filter cleanings and such.
It takes me about 3 hrs a day to maintain the tanks for that day. usually 6 per day.
Its not really hard to maintain them now. Since they have been up and running for awhile, its simply cleaning glass and water changes/vacume. I usually have three tanks draining for water changes at a time. Most of my breeding tanks do not have substrate (depends what is in it), so easy to vacume if needed.
Ill post some pics tomorrow of the marine and ray tanks. The pond is a work in progress. I have the pond set up, rock around it almost finished and reduing the lighting. But will be cool when finished to my plans.
thanks, I figured the best information is best given when easily spelled out and in steps. Of course, every tank is different, cycling time can be different for each tank. The two saltwater tanks I have, one took two weeks to go thru its cycle, the other took two months. Its just now starting to get fish... No telling how long it will take the 150 to cycle. But doesnt matter to me, I have big plans for that fish only tank and will get it rt the first time. I want to stick a blue spotted ray in it with some other fish. So I will make sure if Im going to spend that kind of money on a saltwater ray, Its ready and rt the first time.
Post pics tomorrow.
Thanks again
 
Fair play mate, that is some serious dedication to the hobby!! I currently ONLY have a 14" O in a 450 Litre, had to run down my other three tanks for financial reasons! Doing a postgraduate diploma and it ain't cheap ha ha!! I'll be back with a reef set-up in the near future hopefully!! I've never kept Rays before but there a super fish, blue spotted rays are prob my favourite out of all the Rays (both fresh & marine)!! What other fish would you put with that? Interested in Morays or Groupers?

Do you have a fish room or something for all them tanks? Sounds an awesome set-up you have going!!! One more question ha, what fish do you breed? Are they feeders or do you sell them to your LFS for an extra few quid??
 
Well I think after reading all this Im gonna pull the trigger and give salt a shot...gonna start shopping around for the live rock, skimmer, maybe a uv, and start building my sump...40 gallon should be big enough i would imagine for a 75 gallon tank...ill update my progress every so often and let ya guys tell me what im doing wrong lol...wish me luck
 
MFK wont let me add pics.. Ive tried the last few days.. Will try again later.
We have 4 tanks in our living room and the rest are in our basement. Our basement is a unfinished open room the entire debth of the house, so we have plenty of room.
I breed jewel cichlids, guppies, angel fish, ghost shrimp, cherry shrimp and gold fish. I use the gold fish, ghost shrimp, cherry shrimp and sometimes the cichlids as feeders (depends on how many I have). We sale off the fish also to local pet stores or people for feeders or for whatever they want them for.
We have had a few litters of pups from the Motoro rays also. Have been also working on breeding black ghost knife fish and clown fish.
I have two small 10 gallon tanks set up that reproduce copopods for my salt tanks. This makes sure i always have plenty on hand. Since my wife like her manderin, we need to always make sure he has copopods for him. But they are easy to reproduce.. They do all the work. All I have to do is wipe the tanks down from time to time..

This is what I do instead of party. I enjoy working on my tanks. Always buying and saling to. I just bought two more complete saltwater set up's and got a really good deal. So will be setting one of them up for whatever at some point down the road for whatever we decided and prob sale the other off to make some of my money back.
 
Well I think after reading all this Im gonna pull the trigger and give salt a shot...gonna start shopping around for the live rock, skimmer, maybe a uv, and start building my sump...40 gallon should be big enough i would imagine for a 75 gallon tank...ill update my progress every so often and let ya guys tell me what im doing wrong lol...wish me luck


Best of Luck
 
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