Cracked 80, HELP

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Ok title was a bit drastic lol but my bottom panel has cracked on my 80, not sure of the cause but it is centred in the panel and doesn't stretch to an edge ?

Could I repair this with a glass patch ? Maybe internal and external ?

I can't afford a new tank or a whole new panel even tho I would love a new tank.

I know the repair isn't ideal or reccomended but I'm desperate, if I can't repair it Ive pretty much got no choice but to leave the hobby.


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Hello; I will assume this is a glass panel at the bottom of the tank under the substrate. I have patched such cracks with success before. I also have failed to get a good seal at times. First the crack is likely to spread in time, so it may be best to plan the patch as if the crack went to the edges already. The trick is to guess where the crack will migrate so as to make sure the patch covers it and then some. One advantage is that, should it work, the patch can be hidden under sand or gravel.

My thinking is the tank needs to be clean and dry before applying the silicone. Test fit the glass patch a few times to be sure. I usually apply silicone right on the crack and out from it a bit. I also put it thick so as to have it spread out when i gently press the glass patch panel into place. I make sure to put lines of silicone on the tank glass and the patch glass especially around the borders of the patch. I would patch it on the inside of the tank first and hope it works.

A note; you are likely to get only one good try at placing the glass patch. Once the patch is pressed ono the silicone it will be difficult to remove or to move much even if the silicone is still gooey. While it is possible to lift it and reset it, there will be issues such as lots of air pockets. You then are faced with a very messy chore of trying to clean everything off in order to try again.

There will be some mess, at the best I have been able to do, as I want enough of the silicone applied to squeeze out on all edges of the patch panel. Keep in mind you are pressing on cracked glass so be careful. I have found pressing with a steady light pressure and letting to silicone ooze and spread to work. Let it cure for a few days and test fill. If you have a small leak it is sometimes possible to dry the tank again and put more silicone around the edges of the patch.

As far as how a bottom gets cracked, I know of three general ways. One is sitting a glass bottom tank down on an obstruction/protrusion when moving it. I try to have a flat surface like a piece of plywood to place a tank onto. Another is folks placing heavy stuff like rocks into a tank . They sometimes drop the rocks or the rocks get knocked off of a stack by the person of even by a fish and hit the bottom with force. I guess a bad stand can be added to the list that can stress glass.

good luck
 
Post up some pics please. But personally I would say find a use tank on Craigslist.

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Here's an 80 gal long I just fixed, it had a bit of a crack on the bottom.
Beside putting a bead of silicone around the edges of the new panels, I put a thin layer over the cracks to add strength.

make sure the patch is sufficiently larger than the cracks.
Here's the tank a week later.
 
The crack is so small I lost about 3 gals over a two day period lol

Will hopefully drain it tomorrow or over the weekend as I have to set up a temp tank for the inhabitants, I will be able to get a clear pic then but in total it measures 5 inches long


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Buy some window and door silicone and scrape your old silicone and use a wet rag and put a clean bead through out the bottom of aquarium, let it sit for a week. If you have a problem with where to keep fish, buy a kiddie pool and put your heater and some air stones to keep your fish alive while your aquarium cures.
 
Buy some window and door silicone and scrape your old silicone and use a wet rag and put a clean bead through out the bottom of aquarium, let it sit for a week. If you have a problem with where to keep fish, buy a kiddie pool and put your heater and some air stones to keep your fish alive while your aquarium cures.

Hello; The use of a wet rag is not clear to me. I have found that having a tank very dry to be an aid when resealing. What does the wet rag do and how it it to be used?
 
Hello; This is an old post about sealing a tank with silicone. Resealing a tank can be a chore and may not work the first time, but if you get a good seal it should last for years.
I have found that trying to run a line of silicone only on a portion of a tank has often not worked out very well. If a tank leaks, I find it best to reseal all the inside seams at the same time.
-(In my experience the silicone needs to be applied in all corners and sides while it is still tacky so that it will bond to itself at the apex of each side.)
-(New silicone does not always bond to old silicone very well)(Some have posted that it will stick better to the old if the old is well cleaned, I have yet to test this myself.)

I cut out the existing silicone with a utility knife from all seams before trying to seal with new stuff. A shop vacuum is a handy way to remove the bits of silicone. If the first application of new silicone does not seal the leak, I cut out all the silicone that I have just applied and seal the whole thing again.

The silicone tubes that fit in a caulking gun are the handy way to apply silicone. The tubes of silicone that you squeeze with your fingers are just too hard for me to control and I have not tried to use them in years. You can plug the end of a big tube of silicone with a nail or something round to keep it from curing too quickly, as you may need it again.
-(Note – When you cut the end of a silicone tube, make the first cut near the end so as to have a small opening. You can always cutoff a little bit more if the bead of silicone is too small.)
Some additional pointers:
I usually give a tank a good cleaning before applying the new silicone. I use a paste made from ordinary table salt (Without iodine) and a soft sponge.
-(I do not use a sponge or cloth that has been used with soap or chemicals.)
-(I have buckets and sponges that are used only for my tanks.)
The salt paste does not scratch glass and does a fair job at removing the deposits from the surface of the glass (be sure the sponge or cloth used to apply the paste with is not coarse enough to scratch the glass on its own and watch for bits of gravel that seem to jump into the salt paste.) (Letting the salt paste dry to a haze should desiccate most critters if you want to disinfect a diseased tank.)(Note- wetting the glass will soften up the deposits somewhat.) Rinse the salt paste out and let the tank dry well.

For stubborn mineral deposits, a razor blade in a holder that gives a firm grip is useful. Use a shallow angle on the blade and keep an eye on the corners of the blade. The corners sometimes get bent and will scratch a thin line.
Once the tank is clean, I think it needs to be very dry before applying a bead of new silicone. Dampness tends to hide in the very small seams and in the corners of a tank. I suspect that dampness prevents the silicone from bonding properly to a surface and may result in a leak in a good looking seam. It can take a while for the moisture to dry out of the small seams. A light hanging inside an empty tank can help to dry it out.
Note- This is not real critical, but try to have the tank in a place where it can sit for a day once the silicone has been applied, so you do not have to move it until the stuff can cure some. Silicone labels often say that it will cure enough in two days to add water. (While I have gotten away with around a two day cure with thin beads in small tanks it has not always worked. It seems prudent to wait a few more days to be sure. Some experienced people have suggested seven days for a full cure.) Thicker beads of silicone in large tanks will likely take the additional time to cure. Silicone will skin over and harden from the outside in. Push on a thick part of a bead with your finger to see if it feels firm and solid.
If you manage to lay down a decent bead of silicone try to resist poking/rubbing at it in an attempt to smooth out a bump or irregular spot. I usually only try to smooth out the glob where the corners meet at an apex. You may get away with wetting your finger tip lightly with water and gently touch it. (Water on the outside of a joint should not cause a problem if you use just enough to dampen the tip of the finger and not enough to drip off.)(Does it sound like fun yet?). You will want several paper towels or cloths handy to keep the silicone wiped from your fingers. It will get on everything if you don’t and it is a real pain to clean off. If you use a cloth to wipe silicone the stuff from your fingers, it does not come out. So do not use a favorite towel.
If you happen to mess up and need to clean up a smear,( and find that the more you wipe it, the more it smears.) it may be easier to let the silicone set up for a day or two so that it is no longer gooey. It can then be rubbed off with a cloth or your fingers or perhaps scraped off with a razor.
I try to test the tank in a place where a leak or having to empty the tank will not be a problem. I also allow a resealed tank to sit full of water for a few days to be sure the tank does not leak before moving it into the house. This may not be wise or practical with a large tank as moving may open up a seam. Good luck with whatever procedure you decide to use.
 
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