Creating A Natural Looking Ray Tank - Couple Ideas/Thoughts - Opinions?

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tanglovers

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We are still planning through what we would like to accomplish with our ray setup when we do it in the not too far off future. I like to have everything thought out/planned before starting a project...most of the time this is good but usually means I over think it a bunch.

Anyhow, here is the rough thought/plan (please change as you see fit):

Tank - 84" x 36" x 30-36" tall, Acrylic, likely 3/4" with 1" front (pool table 10 or so feet from the tank, and we break towards the tank).

Filtration - Sump with bioballs, unsure of the rest to be honest. Sump will likely run with 50-60 gallons of water in it.

Water changes - Daily 50-75 gallon changs automatically done (drop system) with larger changes down every 2 weeks when substrate is siphoned.

UV Sterilizer - 40w - Large Enough?

Lighting - T5HO for the plants, likely lights on 10-12 hrs a day.

Substrate - 2-3" of stingray sand, likely tan in color

Planning on keeping the tank around 80-84 degrees.

Rays - pair of nice marble motoros or leos.


Aesthetics - the big question.

I want a natural type looking tank. I have two thoughts for tankmates.

Reguardless of tankmates, I am planning on leaving the bottom completely open for the rays. I am planning on attaching driftwood to the back of the tank using magnets and other things. On this wood will be various live plants (easy to keep epiphytes).

I was wondering how a mix of small fish like barbs and rainbows would do with rays? Obviously I know the chance (and I assume it will happen) of the rays eating these guys. My hope is with the cover (plants/driftwood) and increased tank height they will only slowly eat them and will only need to be restocked every year or so.

Another thought I had was doing a mix of discus with the rays. I have heard as long as the discus are large enough, most of the time the rays are fine with them (some times I know this is not the case).

I know most of you guys keep other large aggressive fish with your rays - aros, p-bass etc. These do not really appeal to me (no offense to those with these tanks).

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks!
 
Sounds like you have some good ideas.
For your tank I would try to go a little longer and wider and keep the hieght at 30". My tank that is 36" tall is a pain.
Go with quite a bit bigger sump (at least double) and use scrubbies instead of bioballs.
Uv starilizer is way to small unless you want it just for algae.
Lighting would depend on the plants and depth of the plants. Sounds interesting with what your doing with attacting to the tank.Looking forward to seeing it done.
Your sand depth should only be about 1/4" with small rays and when they get bigger you could go with 2-3" if you want.
With leos or marbles I keep them between 78-82.
I'm having no issues with my rays eating my discus as of yet so I say give it a try. To me it looks very good.
Good luck with your tank hope this helps.
 
I would like to go wider but the spot we have for the tank really will not allow any wider. I might be able to lengthen it to 90-96" but really can't pull off wider then 36". My main reef tank (saltwater) is 30" and I love it. May keep it this tall unsure.

I was planning on the UV just being for algae control. Are you guys using these for parasite control? I imagine a good QT would eliminate the need for this or am I mistaken?

How large are your rays and the discus with them?
 
all sounds very good! if u dont have a source for the tank yet let me know...

where in mi are u?
 
I am in SW Michigan - Grand Rapids area.

Another thing I am not real sure on what to do/use yet is the return pump from the sump.

How much flow do rays require/need? I was planning on only using the return pump to provide intank flow. Or do you think supplimental flow should be used?
 
My tank is 24" tall and that is just right. Anything taller and you can't reach the bottom unless you climb in the tank. All sounds good but I would do a larger sump. If the sump is custom then I would make it as big as you can fit inside the stand. As far as a pump, I would go with two 1800 gph pondmasters. You can submerge them in the sump, they run cool, and they push a lot of water. If you run two pumps T'd together then you will still have flow if one pump should ever go out.
 
Well it will for sure be a larger sump. When you guys say larger sump. When I said 50-60 gallons this would be how much water in to - meaning it would be a 100-125 gallon tank. Unsure if this matters or if you think I need more water volume in the sump for the scrubbies.
 
tanglovers;3365996; said:
Well it will for sure be a larger sump. When you guys say larger sump. When I said 50-60 gallons this would be how much water in to - meaning it would be a 100-125 gallon tank. Unsure if this matters or if you think I need more water volume in the sump for the scrubbies.

u had it right....

i use pondmaster hydrive pumps also. seem to be the most energy efficient i could find, very good quality too...

i would shoot for 10x per hour. i do about 15x per hr:D
 
i was at vamptrev house tonight .. listen to this guy .. his set ups are AMAZING!! filtration and plumbing are out of this world...

that and one hell of a guy .. might even let you go check out his tanks .. just bring a tub .. you will want to take stuff home !!! ha ha
 
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