Cruelty to fish and crustaceans

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An evicted man abandoned his ailing fish, police say. He was charged with animal cruelty.

By Lindsey Bever
April 4, 2019

A family pet is being nursed back to health after it was found abandoned, malnourished and living in “deplorable” conditions, which had led to disease, authorities said. Authorities said the animal was discovered in a vacated home last month in Wilmington, a port city in North Carolina. The pet? A freshwater fish.

The former owner, who has been identified by police as Michael Ray Hinson, was arrested Wednesday on three misdemeanor counts of animal cruelty. Hinson, who was released on a $4,000 bond, is set to appear in court Thursday, according to the New Hanover County Sheriff’s Office. It’s unclear whether he has an attorney in the case.
Authorities say it is thought to be the first time that animal cruelty charges have been brought in the county in a case involving a fish.

Lt. Jerry Brewer, a spokesman for the New Hanover County Sheriff’s Office, said Hinson was evicted March 22 from his home in Wilmington.
Three days later, deputies went to check on the home and discovered a fish tank in “deplorable” condition, Brewer said. He said the oscar fish that was living inside it was not in good health; it was later determined the fish was suffering from hole-in-the-head disease, which is commonly caused by a parasite.

Authorities took the fish to the Fish Room, an aquarium in Wilmington, where employees have been treating it. Fish Room employee Ethan Lane told NBC affiliate WECT that when this fish was brought in, “he was in pretty bad shape.” "Hole in the head is a parasite that starts in the intestines and works from the inside out, slowly killing the fish,” he said. Lane told the State newspaper that the fish has since been put on a proper diet and is being treated with medication. Lane told the newspaper that the fish is suspected to have survived in its former home by eating cockroaches that fell into the tank, though police said that has not been confirmed.

Lane said oscar fish, which can grow longer than 12 inches and live up to 20 years, are “great pets.” He estimated that the recently rescued fish is about a year old. “We call them wet pets,” the employee told WECT. “They are very trainable. They have huge personalities. Some of them can be aggressive.”

Authorities did not say who would get permanent custody of the fish.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ted-of-animal-cruelty/?utm_term=.3518ee889c07

A seafood company killed a lobster — and was convicted of animal cruelty

March 7, 2017

You might care about how the chicken you eat is raised and killed. What about the lobster?

An Australian seafood company was recently convicted of animal cruelty — for killing a lobster. The legally actionable problem was not actually taking the life of the lobster. It’s that the lobster was killed in a way deemed to be unnecessarily — and illegally — brutal.

According to the Guardian’s description of what happened, workers at Nicholas Seafoods were seen by investigators “butchering and dismembering lobsters with a band saw, without adequately stunning or killing them.” The lobsters’ tails were cut from their bodies while the animals were still alive, in violation of local animal cruelty laws, and led to a conviction that may be the first of its kind in the world.

Depending on your perspective, this might both churn the stomach and raise confusing questions. Are you behaving monstrously if you boil a live lobster — a fairly common cooking method? Could you be found guilty of animal cruelty if so?

The answer to the second question is pretty straightforward: As things stand now, you are highly unlikely to be convicted of animal cruelty for behaving badly, even very badly, toward a lobster.

The Nicholas Seafoods killing took place in the Australian state of New South Wales — one of a few Australian jurisdictions to specifically include crustaceans sold for food, like lobsters, in its animal cruelty laws. The conviction was the first in that state, a local spokeswoman for the Royal Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said. The company was fined $1,500.

It’s not unheard of for some sea critters to have legal protections. Octopuses are “honorary vertebrates” under European Union law governing the treatment of animals used in scientific research. And some advocates say they would like to see more fish gain more protection — like the 806 people who recently signed an online petition asking to include lobsters in Britain’s animal cruelty laws.

Federal American animal cruelty laws do not cover the crustaceans. (Robert F. Bukaty/Associated Press)

But welfare laws for lobsters and their ilk are unusual. In the United States, neither fish nor crustaceans are covered under the federal Animal Welfare Act, and they are mostly exempt from state animal cruelty laws as well. (Occasionally, a cruelty charge has been brought under state law when a pet fish is killed in a brutal way.)

Why aren’t fish, crustaceans and chickens given these legal protections? It’s not because these creatures aren’t smart or don’t experience pain. There’s good evidence that they are and they do. Jonathan Balcombe, author of the book “What a Fish Knows: The Inner Lives of Our Underwater Cousins,” said he believes fish are sentient creatures with highly complex lives and societies.

“Their lives matter to them,” he said. “I’ve become firmly convinced they deserve equal moral consideration to all other vertebrates.”

Balcombe said the situation with crustaceans, as opposed to vertebrate fish, is “less clear.” But research has shown that crustaceans do “remember and learn from apparently painful events,” and that should bring them into our moral universe, he said.

“Sentience is the bedrock of ethics,” he said.

Regardless of the established science or the moral reasoning, the reason dogs and cows have more legal protection than lobsters seems primarily based on our cultural associations and practices. Dogs have the most protections because people adore them and think of them as members of the family. Fish and lobsters have been given practically none, because in general people do not — though every once in a while an especially old or pretty lobster captures our rapt attention and mercy.

“This exemplifies the paradoxes and inconsistencies we see in the treatment of animals,” said Hal Herzog, a psychology professor at Western Carolina University and author of “Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat.”

But according to Andrew Lurie, the Humane Society International’s senior attorney for international law and trade, even those species we love don’t get a whole lot of protection — here in the United States or elsewhere. Animal cruelty convictions in general “are rather rare worldwide,” he said.

On the other hand, consumers are beginning to demand that the animals who produce our food are kept and killed more humanely. It’s this consumer demand that, for example, is driving companies to vow to switch to eggs from cage-free hens. In November, Massachusetts voters approved a ballot measure banning the sale of eggs or meat from animals kept in tight confinement.

So is the Australian lobster case an oddball anomaly or a step toward a future in which more animals we eat get more protections, and when it might not be so strange for lobsters to be included in our moral and legal universe? Lurie said he is not sure. But the chief executive of the RSPCA in New South Wales said it sets a significant precedent.

“We hope this conviction will expand the circle of empathy and welfare to crustaceans and more animals that often do not evoke the same level of compassion as others,” Steve Coleman said. “With the scientific community proving lobsters feel pain, and the New South Wales legislation backing that up, we’re excited to see such progress in the space of animal welfare, and we hope that this case can be a guiding light for others.”

Still want to dine on lobster but minimize its suffering — not to mention your chances of being busted if you happen to be in Australia? The RSPCA Australia’s website recommends a few preferable methods for ending a lobster’s life. And no, boiling it alive is not one of them.

Stunning the lobster in an electrified bath is better, the organization says, as is chilling the lobster in a saltwater ice slurry, then “rapidly cutting through the center-line of the head, thorax (chest) and abdomen with a large, sharp knife” before the lobster regains its version of consciousness.

Or — just a friendly suggestion here — you could avoid all these questions and let the lobsters live.
 
Cool, always a fan of being humane, if your going to eat something, try to end its life as humanely as possible.
 
choice boil alive or cut in half.

That 1st article fails to mention any details about the eviction. As S skjl47 mentioned in the other lounge thread would it have been better if he killed the fish or released it into a lake or river ?
 
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choice boil alive or cut in half.

That 1st article fails to mention any details about the eviction. As S skjl47 mentioned in the other lounge thread would it have been better if he killed the fish or released it into a lake or river ?
Killed
 
And im sure people would have a problem with that too.

I would love to know the reason for the arrest. Was it the conditions or because he left it behind. I understand the charges but that irrelevant.

Maybe he had to be out asap. Maybe he had kids to worry about... a whole list of what ifs
 
I spent quite the time in the country when I was growing up. When you keep an animal for food, you let it roam free and enjoy its life when it's growing up. When you kill it for food, you give it a blow to the head or you cut its head off. You don't chain it, starve it, torment it, boil it, freeze it alive, pull bits and pieces of it, etc...
 
From what I read on the same article, the fish was found days after the person was evicted, meaning it was suffering in his care for way longer prior to his eviction, considering the state of the fish. Regardless of the lack of details, I am not judging the person, and I am certainly not judging the fish....

I am judging the people that can let any human being become homeless, or the human being that can let any fish suffer for no decent reason.

If the fish was a kid, would you evict the parent and leave the kid to starve? Yeah, harsh comparison but its one that makes sense in determining who is to blame.....

What happened to the fish is animal cruelty one way or another. The only question I have is who is responsible...
 
Animal cruelty laws are all hugely hypocritical, the first guy they probably just had some extra space in their prison they needed to fill up or the town was short on money. In the second case i don't see how cutting them apart is animal cruelty but throwing them in a steamer is not.

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Not that it matters, but on the abandoned Oscar the report states that it survived eating cockroaches.
This statement leads one to believe it was left for a very long time.
This section from another source states that the man was evicted only three days before the fish was found.

The 53-year-old abandoned the fish after he was evicted from his New Hanover County home March 22, according to WECT. When the Oscar fish was found by deputies March 25, it was “was in poor health and swimming in a dirty tank,” the TV station reported.

Read more here: https://www.newsobserver.com/living/pets/article228795369.html#storylink=cpy

The point to this is it takes a lot longer than 3 days for a fish to starve or fall into the shape that it was found.
Meaning this fish was neglected way before the eviction.
 
Sure it would have been better he found another home for the fish but aslo not hard to imagine he became preoccupied with addressing his issues. The guy got evicted i think it would be fair to assume he had some problems.

Assuming he could have easily rehomed the fish might not be accurate. In my area the lfs wont take in any fish thats aggressive or large. Even the better lfs up north wont touch a 12 inch fish. Large oscars are hard to sell. Allot of lfs dont want to devote the tank space to a fish they cant sell. I baught a fish this week and the guy was complaining that they've had it for a while (2 weeks)
 
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