curious about an ID

[cacichlids]

Red isletas do not have whit in between their stripes they are almost like light black, they do not have long faces like the fish pictured above, red isletas have short round face and most males have humps at that size... Some males display a light reddish color under their gill plates even when not breeding... As far as O know they are collected from different locations but their is certainly a difference between the two... I wish I could show you pics but im on my phone... I will upload pics when i get home...

"Red Isletas have short round face"... Like this Citrinellus?



Red isletas have red faces or reddish color under the gill plates... so do Citrinellus, this is entirely dependent on their diet and it's been documented that many Red Isletas lose their red coloration in captivity when they don't have access to the food that provides said color in the wild.

Citrinellus with red face:



Citrinellus with reddish color under gill plate:



And last but not least, here's a wild caught pair of 'Red Isletas' that came from Jeff Rapps, if I remember correctly the owner was GMFISHNUT at some point. They lack the red coloration AND have white and black bars.





So basically no, none of those will help you determine whether you have a barred Midas or a Red Isletas.

 

[cichlidaddiction]

so basically its a barred amph

 

[jiant2520]

It was sold as a Barred Midas and I've seen nothing that would say otherwise. If I were the OP, I would go with what you bought it as. I will say it does not look Amarillo to me, but as stated a few times here know one really knows as Midas / RD / Red Isletas are pretty darn hard to tell apart. I've posted pics of my RD, Midas, Xilo and Midevil and many had a tough time telling them apart... they are all very close related fish. Again, it was sold as a Barred Midas and there is nothing in that pic to say different IMO. I would go with that if I were you. Good luck going forward.

 

[Jimmy16]

My F1 red isletas

 

[xinchavoc]

"Red Isletas have short round face"... Like this Citrinellus?

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Red isletas have red faces or reddish color under the gill plates... so do Citrinellus, this is entirely dependent on their diet and it's been documented that many Red Isletas lose their red coloration in captivity when they don't have access to the food that provides said color in the wild.

Citrinellus with red face:

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Citrinellus with reddish color under gill plate:

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And last but not least, here's a wild caught pair of 'Red Isletas' that came from Jeff Rapps, if I remember correctly the owner was GMFISHNUT at some point. They lack the red coloration AND have white and black bars.

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So basically no, none of those will help you determine whether you have a barred Midas or a Red Isletas.

great point but i forgot to mention jeff rapps is the only person to import them so unless bought from him or reputable person they should be treated as barred midas...
To the op I would consider your fish what you bought it as

 

[BC in SK]

The fish is from the 'midas cichlid complex'. With out knowing where the fish originated from, it's usually quite difficult to determine which particular species it is. Especially after a few generations, under aquarium conditions, these fishes can become indistinguishable.

Amphilophus citrenellus, A. labiatum, A. hogaboomorum, A. zaliosum, A. sagittae, A xiloaensis, A. amarillo, A. chancho, A. flaveous, A. astorquii, A. supercilius, A. globosus......few of these are easily distinguishable from each other, especially in captivity. Some of these were just described in the last few years; a couple just last year. Many undescribed (such as A. sp. 'red isletas). Some figure, the ichthyologists will end up describing 40 or more "species".

Is what use to be called a 'barred midas' actually A. citrenellus, or are they one or more of what are now described species? Or one of the many undescribed that will, in all likelyhood, become newly described species?

 

[Madness]

Well I didnt see anyone post this answer. I think it looks a lot like a barred Xiloaensis.

Here is my female: Not a very clear pic.