Curious about wild caught?
- Thread starter maddyfish
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not really. "Wild caught" is used generally to when fish are brought out of their native habitat, thereby retaining their natural characteristics. Your oscar may have been caught in the "wild" but would still be considered a domestic strain. It is awesome and sad at the same time that you can do that in Florida.
A theoretical version of this same question is being discussed in another thread here - http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2527925#post2527925
I like ThatCichlidGuy's response (#27) even better than my own...
I like ThatCichlidGuy's response (#27) even better than my own...
Oscars have been breeding in Florida for years now. They might not have used to be there but they are an established breeding population that you could not get rid if you wanted to. Many that I have seen have also already started reverting back to there natural colorations. After so many generations I think you have to consider them wild.
my personal opinion is that from the first generation hatched and raised in the wild are wild. i dont agree with the arguement that they arent wild cos they come from a released fish because they are wild as in they are not tank bred. no amount of arguement that get rid of that fact. not native maybe but certainly wild caught.
those are good points, but the problem would be people could start catching florida oscars and call them f0 and so on, which should not be confused by beginners with f0 oscars from south america
Cichlaholics Anonymous;2528848; said:
i agree with you, it does or will eventually create a load of problems with regards to the sale of f numbers. although i cant comment any further into this as i have no experience in dealing with f's.
jgentry;2528732; said:
So if I put my Blue Dempsey producing pair into a small natural pond in my back yard... and a Blue Dempsey is born and survives until I remove it... I can claim to be the first person in the world to "discover" a Blue Dempsey in the wild?... of course not... but according to your logic above I can... it was born in the "wild"...
I completely agree that Florida "wild" Oscars are wild born, meaning they have had to survive the conditions that create 'survival of the fittest', which is the biggest advantage F0 fish have...
But there are some definate differences between released/relocated "wilds" and natural "wilds"...
Speaking of Natural Wilds, we know that fish of the same species found at different locations (lakes, rivers, ponds, etc) often have subtle differences. In several cases such species were later broken into two species. Although I don't see Oscars being split into more than one species, what 'locale' would a Florida "wild" Oscar be? You can't tell where it was naturally from, it's unlikely that both it's parents were naturally from the same locale, referring to it's Florida caught locale gives you nothing about it's true ancestory... In all reality is has no locale because it's likely an aquarium strain that is made of of fish from muliple locales...
So yes, I can agree Florida "wild" Oscars are wild born... but are not F0...
I would feel cheated if I bought an F0 Oscar and received a Flordia "wild"... Yet I would be likely to pay a little more for a Florida "wild", but not as much as I'd pay for a SA wild...
Using this released wild theory can also open the door for people to release hybrids... the catch their young and start selling "F0 Flowerhorns"... which obviously is very misleading...