Curious about wild caught?

[thatcichlidguy]

So if I put my Blue Dempsey producing pair into a small natural pond in my back yard... and a Blue Dempsey is born and survives until I remove it... I can claim to be the first person in the world to "discover" a Blue Dempsey in the wild?... of course not... but according to your logic above I can... it was born in the "wild"...

I wouldn't say it counts if it came from your backyard.

what 'locale' would a Florida "wild" Oscar be? You can't tell where it was naturally from, it's unlikely that both it's parents were naturally from the same locale, referring to it's Florida caught locale gives you nothing about it's true ancestory..

I think the simple answer here is in the Quote, Florida wild. Sure it's kinda generic but it does say where the fish originated. With the introduced population being decended from captive raised ancestors that's about as good as I think it gets.

The bigger issue is more on the part of suppliers and retailers being honest about their "wild" fish. I don't mind really if a fish is caught from a florida canal or lake so long as the seller is honest about its origin. Like others have said I'd be real pissed if I bought a wild fish that was supposed to be from Rio XYZ, and it actually came from nc_nutcases' backyard. We enforce that with our dollars and lots of questions.

 

[Toby_H]

So what do you have against my backyard? lol

But seriously, what if I lived in Miami and had a small natural pond in my backyard? Now consider the same question about the Blue Dempsey.

What if I went to Mexico and did the same thing with a small natural pond there?

Reintroduing an aquarium strain is reintroducing an aquarium strain, no matter how you look at it...

 

[jgentry]

What you are suggesting is nothing like the oscar population in florida. Oscars cover a huge area in florida from canals, streams, rivers, to the large lakes. They are nearly as common as bluegill in a lot of areas. I have a pond with koi in my backyard, they have breed and I don't claim them to be F0. Having an secluded pond with an isolated pair of fish is certainly not the same as a massive population of fish that are thriving in a completely wild environment. Currently you might not be able to know exactly the regional genetics of Florida oscars but in 30 years they will all look nearly identical due to natural selection. At that point will they still not be wild F0's?

 

[thatcichlidguy]

At that point will they still not be wild F0's?

Probably, but if we go that route there still needs to be some distinction between native wilds and introduced "wilds". Something like i-F0 (i for introduced) for instance to indicate the fish is of non native origin.

 

[jgentry]

I think you are right. I can see why people don't like calling them wilds for fear of getting them instead of SA wilds. But as long as the collection region is labled I don't see a problem. Just like a fish labled wild oscar (San Palo) the fish could be labled wild oscar (florida). Will all retailers be honest about it? No, but that's no different then now.