Cyano, Carpintis or Hybrid?

[Filipe M.]

Hi guys,

I bought a cichlid labeled as H. Cyanoguttatos. But after reading some posts asking for ID and looking some pictures I'm not convinced he/she is a cyano. Now I'm not sure how to set a proper tank environment (pH, temperature, etc).

I've attached a picture.

Thanks,
FM

 

[Toiletcar]

Definitely a caprintis, looks deformed or short body. Not cyano at all.

Ph: 7-8

Temps. Mid 70sF. Could go cooler even, but don’t go above 80.

 

[Filipe M.]

Thanks. Some escarse literatures point to Carpintis too. As the snout have no pearls I got confused...

 

[Gourami Swami]

Looks like a carpintis crossed with a blood parrot or short body flowerhorn. Definitely not a normal carpintis, some sort of mutation or hybrid.

 

[duanes]

I agree, neither cyno nor carpintus, basically a mutant
Here's a real carpintus

 

[RD.]

FYI ....... not all short body carpintis are necessarily hybrids. Those that are crosses, generally come from a carpintis blood parrot cross.



https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/short-body-gt-eds-breed.653727/

 

[RD.]

Some fun reading on naturally occurring skeletal deformities, and selective breeding.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3631747/

The persistent request of new fish varieties has also leaded to selective breeding of several lineages showing characteristic spinal abnormalities such as the so called “Balloon Kissing Gourami” (Helostoma temminkii, Cuvier 1829) “Balloon Molly” (Poecilia velifera, Regan 1914), “Blood Parrot Cichlid” (Heros severus x Amphilophus citrinellus hybrid)[18] and ornamental goldfish (Carassius auratus L.).

Finally, a genetic basis has also been proposed for spinal malformations[50]–[55], since spontaneous spinal curvature mutants exist. Particularly, the so-called Mutant Guppy (P. reticulata) Syndrome Curveback, characterized by a primary sagittal lordosis with some individual exhibiting posterior kyphosis and /or coronal deviation, appears to be a possible animal model to study the pathogenesis of human idiopathic scoliosis. This Curveback lineage, originated from a curved male crossed to a normal female, followed by full-sib mating, showed a female bias for curves of high magnitude[48]. It is interesting to notice that both founders were from a population collected in Cumaná, Venezuela[57] which has been proposed to be an established local population of P. wingei[13]. In addition, malformations due to a genetic alteration do not seem to prevent fish from achieving a normal size[58].

 

[newworld]

Who knows what that is, definitely a wild fish though...

 

[smitty03281964]

Definitely not a Cyano, and probably not a Carpintis since I think it is a hybrid with a Parrot.

 

[mattison187]

Its the normal colored fish from someones attempt at breeding super red texas. A guy i use to know had tons of these things, due to only like 1% would come out red. The rest were these guys. They are agressive as hell. Like a bloodparrot with texas attitude.