Cycle help!

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Drogon

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So I recently completed my fishless cycle (using Kleen Off Ammonia) and have had 3 days of 0 ammonia and nitrite 24 hours after dosing to 4ppm ammonia.
I decided to do a large WC (70%) since the water was looking kinda gross and vac'd all the gravel. My LFS also sold me some hair algae treatment for the algae that was growing on my wood, so I took the opportunity to use this after doing the waater change. This meant that I had to remove my carbon filter.
Completed the water change, dosed the treatment, and the tank was looking great. I also added 2ppm ammonia last night just to feed the bacteria with the intent of getting some fish to start up later today.

Tested this morning (15 hours after dosing) and whilst the ammonia has gone down to 0ppm, the nitrite is ~2-3ppm. In the later days of my cycle the filter almost cleared the 4ppm dose of ammonia in 15 hours (nitrite would read .5-1ppm at this point).

Only thing I can say is during the WC I filled a tupperware tub of tank water, and pulled out my filter sponges and rested them in there to keep them wet. Filter is a Juwel bioflow XL in which ive added a couple of bags of ceramic rings. I did this with the thought that as I lowered the tank level, the top sponges in the tower would be run dry and potentially dry out (took an hour and a half to empty the tank, clean it all and fill it again). I wiped all the glass down, disturbed all the gravel to vac up a lot of the brown algae that had grown in the last 3 weeks, and accidentally broke the tree that I glued to a rock as decoration so removed the tree completely from the tank.

I can't really figure out what I did wrong to destroy or remove the nitrfying bacteria? Removing the carbon sponge shouldnt have posed an issue as with tank maintenance I'd have had to replace sponges eventually. Could the filter pads being sat in the box of tank water slowly kill them, if not aerated? Could I have disturbed all the bacteria in the gravel and vacc'd it all up?

It's really no big deal as it's still a fishless tank, just looking to see what may have caused the issue so I don't replicate it should I need to do another large WC in the future!

Thanks in advance for reading the post!
 
Found a really old post that had a label with ingredients disodium hydrogen phosphate. Not sure how that kills algae.

Personally, I would do a 100% water change and add carbon to make sure that you remove the algaecide. Then dose with ammonia, and get your cycle back in order.
 
had 3 days of 0 ammonia and nitrite 24 hours after dosing to 4ppm ammonia.
Hello; Did you test for and have any nitrates?

Could the filter pads being sat in the box of tank water slowly kill them, if not aerated? Could I have disturbed all the bacteria in the gravel and vacc'd it all up?
Hello; My thinking is the filter pads were kept wet and the tank was down for only an hour and a half, so while the beneficial bacteria (bb) likely stopped growth they should not have died off in so short of a time.

Hello; I have never used an algaecide so cannot say from experience. My suspicion would be to consider this as the likely source of the problem, but just a guess.

I am curious about all the algae. If you used artificial lights then you ought to be able to keep them turned off and stop that growth. If you have natural light this may be an ongoing issue. I have only placed tanks near windows a few times. Might be time to rethink the tanks position or add some shade?


Aquarium cycling links


http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/nitrogen_cycle.html


http://www.bioconlabs.com/nitribactfacts.html
 
Thank you for the replies!

To be honest, the hair like algae I have growing isn't even that much of an issue. I just was doing a little shop at the LFS and he recommended it.

I tested for nitrates every time. It's always 20ppm and below, as I have a few plants in there (whereas my tap water measures in at ~40ppm!) Naively we left our lights on far too long in the beginning so suspect that added to the algae problem. They're now on 8 hours a day. My ammonia nitrifying bacteria Seems to be fine; it's the nitrite nitrifying bacteria that has taken the hit! In future I shall fully vet the products I buy, lesson learned!

I'll wash that carbon sponge and put it back in. With any hope it's not knocked it off course too much! Glad to read that the way I kept the filter sponges was adequate.
 
Hello; I think in the second link I posted is a discussion of bb reproductive rates. The bb multiply slower than many bacteria. Many bacteria can double in 20 minutes under the right conditions. The bb can take from seven to fifteen hours to double. My take is this is why cycling a tank takes so long.

About the hair on the wood. That may have been a growth other than algae. I do not use wood in tanks so am going by posts of others on this. From their posts I gather the wood can have a short lived growth for a while in a new setup. Take this with some skepticism as it is not from my experience.

I do have a negative thought. The residue of the algaecide may linger. I am only guessing about this so hopefully someone with actual experience may comment. You may have to do a very thorough cleaning of everything and essentially start over. Hope I am wrong about this.
 
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Alright after reviewing my water change I've decided I'm a mother f***ing idiot as I didn't add the dechlorinator until the tank was topped up, and I'd drained my hose line + put it all away. Gonna guess that was long enough to do some damage to the BB. Don't know why I didn't think this sooner! Thanks for all the help
 
In my opinion there are a number things that stymied your cycle.
The walls of any tank contain millions of good bacteria, in a newly cycled tank thoroughly cleaning the sides, is premature.
Algae on wood is a good thing, it is a garden for those micro-animals that help your tank flourish, adding the algaecide may have not only killed your good bacteria, but because it killed the algae you lost another natural aid in eating up ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate.
I culture algae and use it as a water purification aid.

Although most of the time putting filter media in tap water does only minor damage, your media population is just beginning, so putting media in chlorinated water may have severely compromised its effectiveness.
The water change in itself may not have been detrimental, but all the other tinkering around was a waste.
 
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