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HarleyK

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Howdy,

Here's a perfect example that you can try to do everything right, and still, bad things happen: Came home tonight and my pirayas are pale, beat up, lethargic, slow, unresponsive, gasping for air, hanging on the surface. Even my wife noticed that they are in very poor shape. :eek:

Tank stats FYI: 5x 10-12'' Pygo. piraya, Endlers, shrimp, raphael catfish. 220 gal tank, drip system, 2x 2262 canister filters, planted.

Order of events after I noticed the condition of the fish:

First: Observation: Shreds of last night's haddock fillet on the bottom of the tank. I always watch them feed and take out leftovers immediately. No clue where this came from, but it was maybe 1x1x1'' total. Did my fish regurgitate? Searched the tank for more leftovers, found another chunk. Removed all I could find.

Second: Tank check: Filters, drip system, temperature, nitrites, nitrates, pH within normal parameters. Endlers behave normal. Shrimp are all lined up along the water surface.

Third: Boost water changes from 5 gal/h to 25 gal/h. In a 220 gal tank, that's basically 2.5x tank volume in a day.

Fourth: Removed majority of floating plants to free up surface area for improved gas exchange. Added all available air pumps, pushing 60 gal/h air thru the tank. Do not want to add powerhead to not stress the fish physically.

Fifth: Added full dose of vitamins, turned off the light

Only three variables come to mind:

  • 5 days ago I added four crabs to the existing two crabs as cleaning crew. That's after 10 weeks of quarantine!!! I house guppies in my Q tanks as indicators, and they showed nothing over those 10 weeks. Not long enough?
  • Haddock came from a frozen bag, that I have fed them from previously. Fillets are individually sealed. Did I get a bad one?
  • Changes in tap water quality can always happen but would have, IMO, gotten taken care of by my water conditioner (Chemilizer clicks happily) and diluted by existing tank water?
We didn't have a power outage where the filters could've gone bad. I did not add anything to the tank other than crabs and food.

I am going to throw out the remaining haddock from the freezer, hoping that's the problem. Nothing I can do about the crabs or tap water at this point. Hoping the increased flow of the drip will detox the tank quickly enough for the fish to recover.

But man, not looking good :(

HarleyK
 
sorry to hear that K. Best of luck.
I don't think crabs are the problem unless they ate the crabs. probably just a bad batch of haddock other wise they wouldn't have regurgitated some of them out??? maybe stop feeding for few days to let them clean out their system?
did you recently applied any bug spray or something that natural recently around the house??
hope for a speedy recovery.
 
:cry:man sorry! GOOD LUCK BRO!But ur doing everything u can.
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This morning fish are much better (though still not normal)

Found another piece of haddock, smelled like a decomposing cadaver, which after all is what it is after two days in warm water. Yuck!

The extremely high drip water change rate from the cold water line lowered the tank temp over night to 68 F despite 2x300 W heaters. I still think massive water change is the way to go, I'll let it run till the end of the day and then return to normal.

J, nope, no pesticide, no cleaning chemicals, no air freshener. Good thought, thanks!
Any other ideas are welcomed. Please.

Thanks guys, for the well-wishes and for letting me vent.
HarleyK
 
Good to hear that they are doing better now.
what temperature do you normally keep the tank at? just some thoughts, according to OPEFE that the Rio Sao Francisco water temperature is range from 70-75F (21-24C). So piraya should be from cooler water, maybe keep water temperature in that range if you have it at higher temp before. helps to keep extra oxygen in water anyway at cooler temp. and aggression level will be a little lower and you can gradually reduce reduce feeding amount/frequency to keep water cleaner (but that part is taken cared by your auto drip already).
 
Sounds like you might have just gotten a bunk piece of haddock buddy. Almost impossible to diagnose and prevent. Good luck man, hope they pull through!
 
damn, poor fish

you better send them over to me just to be safe. don't worry, this hurts me more than it does you because i know you love your fish, but i am a good friend and will even let you do that if it means saving your fish
 
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