dechlorinating water scam or a must

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Dr Joe;1640312; said:
Biggest problem with the human eye is it can't see clearly enough and brain is it is allowed to rationalize.

Facts are facts. It's a sound science.

You can't see the damage chlorine and chloramines do to the gills nor can you see HITH (hole-in-the-head) before it's done damage.

The human body can tollerate it because chloramine is neutralized by the digestive process. (we would die if we had to breath it tho).

Just because it appears you are getting away with something doesn't mean you really are.

Adding 75% chlorine or chloramine water to 25% old chlorine or chloramine water gives you what?

If W/C's are done twice a week there never is a dilution to speak of.

I'd like to hear the science behind your uncle's theory as no one that 'believes' they are right about this sort of thing can scientifically prove it.

And just because the fish didn't float to the surface doesn't mean everything is ok.

I also don't think I want to know where "he whiped out some colonized bac" from :ROFL:.

I'm sure your uncle could be a nice guy, I just don't what to come back as his fish. :D

Dr Joe

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it gives you 100%////he doesnt do water changes twice a week he does them he say when they need to be done////chlor causes hith???? i know about lung burn
 
DeLgAdO;1639498; said:
His water supply must not use chloromine, to an extent he is right. Because if your water supply just uses chlorine 1) the 25% to the 75% non chlorinated water the concentration is very weak, and within a 24 period (factoring in aeration and filteration for water movent) the remaining chlorine will disapate.

If his water supply does contain chloromine it is in a low concentration. Chloramine does not decrease concentration nearly as fast as chlorine when exposed to air. It produces the same general effects as chlorine but is usually found in the lower concentrations that result in long term damage to the fish.

To determine if Chloramine is in your tap water, fill a 5 gallon bucket with tap water, add the proper amount of chlorine neutralizer, and then test the water for ammonia using your ammonia test kit (get one if you dont have one). Chloramine is present 2) if a positive indication of ammonia is found.
its always best to eliminate any risk with a good water conditioner.
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1) You got your facts backwards... 75% new water - 25% old water.

2) Check the tap water for ammonia first.

Any way we look at it...it's bad for the fishes.
 
KABB44423;1640431; said:
it gives you 100%////he doesnt do water changes twice a week he does them he say when they need to be done////chlor causes hith???? i know about lung burn
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When does he think it needs to be done?

I forgot to finish... the gill burn eventually results in gill lesions then these lesions eventually thicken and the fish is unable to process oxygen nor release carbon dioxide (among other things) properly resulting in causing the fish to live out a shortened, stressful life.

KABB44423, follow the light, don't go to the dark side :nilly:.........:ROFL:

Dr Joe

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if you agreed that chlorine and chloramines are bad for fish then:


1) check the tap water.....if none present your done use water as is

2) if chlorine and cholramines are present treat with prime or whatever you like.


its not magic.....
 
For 10 years I changed water on all my tanks without the use of any water conditioner.
I did 25% water changes without seeing any harm to fish.
I would set up new tanks and just allow the water to sit for a week with a filter going and that took care of any problems I had.

Then this last month I had a bit of a problem.
Unknown to me the people that are in charge of my tap water began to add a high amount of "chloramines" to our tap water.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129851
To tell the truth, until Dr Joe took the time to tell me about chloramines I had never heard of them before.


It killed all my fish.
Im angry,
Im sad,
I feel that I was somehow tricked and yet also to somehow blame for the loss of fish I have had for years.

There are some lessons in life that you have to learn the hard way I guess.

Had Dr Joe tried to warn me last month about the chance of killing all my fish because I didnt use any water conditioner I would have tuned him out.

I mean, after TEN YEARS I had never had even the smallest problem.
This lead me to believe I had come up with a system that worked well for my tanks.

However the result of adding untreated tap water to my tanks was that I killed all my fish when unknown to me the tap water was changed.
I wish I could back-up time but I cant.

All I know for sure now is that never again will I risk another 25% water change without plenty of Water Conditioner at hand.

live and learn...
 
Paying for water conditioner is a small price to pay for what might happen to your fish. Better to be safe than sorry. The Doctor.
 
my 2cnets i believ that u dont need dechlor fer following situations

uve just setup a tank and u ar begining cycling u can wait 24hrs extra right?

if ur doing top up and dreplacing 5% if that. my boss has a reef(no fish) and uses direct from the tap water to do top ups he doesnt do waterchanges excapt every few years. i belive adding a small amount of water with chlorine doesnt matter but i still use awater filtered through carbon whick removes 99.7% chlorine, chloramine and sum thing else.
 
Chloramines do not dissipate after 24 hours, which is why they are used. I would never risk adding straight tap water into my tanks unless I add some sort of dechlorinator. I could not imagine my fish going belly up because my water supplier switched from chlorine to chloramine. Like I said in another thread, my old hometown switched from chlorine to chloramine without telling people and it killed 100's of dollars in koi at the local banks pond who was on a semi flow through/re circ system. Why risk it? It is so cheap to by dechlorinator.
 
congofeet;1641868; said:
Chloramines do not dissipate after 24 hours, which is why they are used. I would never risk adding straight tap water into my tanks unless I add some sort of dechlorinator. I could not imagine my fish going belly up because my water supplier switched from chlorine to chloramine. Like I said in another thread, my old hometown switched from chlorine to chloramine without telling people and it killed 100's of dollars in koi at the local banks pond who was on a semi flow through/re circ system. Why risk it? It is so cheap to by dechlorinator.
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