Dechlorinator nah?? or yah???

[Toby_H]

I really wish you would have worded your post better. Suggest to us that in some areas dechlorinators are not necessary, and give us advice on how to find out if we are in one of those areas. That is what you meant… but that is not what you said… and what you said was extremely different and somewhat insulting… I’m also not impressed with you recent back peddling to your previous comments…

I Googled: Chlorine fish

Every one of the links on the first page suggest that Chlorine is bad for fish and should be removed… amusing how all these people, including the US Fish & Wildlife Service, know less about fish health than you do. Why aren’t you famous?

To the newbie… please do not accept this guys words at face value… do some homework and learn the truth… or if you don’t want to invest the time please error on the side of caution…

 

[High City Rida]

Wow I am out of here it's turning ugly in here. Just remember everyone it's all about the CREAM because mama said!

Sorry Chago09 you said some things that you can't take back apperently and "They aint letting it go". PEACE and Happy Turkey day everyone.

 

[WildCAught]

I pay for this scam. Some of my fish are sensitive to chlorine such as my Tinfoil barbs who turn upside down within the first 30 minutes (meaning chlorine is still active longer than the 15 minutes as the poster stated). It's not temperature because I slowly fill my tanks to prevent a drastic temp change. I'm doing a water change right now, as a matter of fact, on my office tank. I noticed my fish were hanging out at the bottom of the tank listless, I added a couple squirts of dechlor and they were actually fighting for the newly rearranged territories within minutes.

I get a gallons worth of crystals for 10 bucks from a buddy at the LFS so it doesn't hurt my wallet.

If chlorine causes even short term damage/ discomfort to my fish, why Should I let it happen?

 

[greenterra]

You're promoting some dangerous information there Chago09. Your water may be lightly chlorinated, and your experience MAY be good with your practices, but that isn't the case for most of us.

You should not make blanket statements without knowing the makeup of everyone's tap water. Many of us have water with chloramine, not simple chlorine. Chloramine does not dissipate as does chlorine and MUST be treated prior to use.

Regardless, I think your experience with dissipation rates of chlorine is unique and is definitely NOT the case in most situations. Generally, most tap water needs a solid 24 hours with aeration to dissipate most of the chlorine (and, again, that assumes you have chlorine only, not chloramine).

You also ignore the affects even brief periods of exposure to chlorine has on the gill structure of your fish. Sublethal levels or chlorine can and do affect your fish whether or not you accept it. Eventually, the side effects can build up and dramatically shorten the life of your pets.

There is much information on the net about this issue, and I hope you research it.

Changing the makeup of the molecule IS what makes it safer. It doesn't magically make the nitrates disappear, it detoxifies them by making them unavailable.



Dechlorinators, like sodium thiosulfate (which I'm assuming Prime is essentially) do affect the toxicity of heavy metals! They can bind to the metals and alter them so they are in a form which is unavailable to organisms, therefore decreasing toxicity.

Oh, S.R., Kim, J.K., Lee, M.J., and K. Choi[SIZE=-1]. 2007. [/SIZE]
Dechlorination with sodium thiosulfate affects the toxicity of wastewater contaminated with copper, cadmium, nickel, or zinc. Environmental Toxicology 23(2):211-217.

Trihalomethanes can also form from chlorine use... which are irritants and carcinogens.

We use chlorine in water treatment to kill microorganisms, why would you want it in your tank? We want beneficial bacteria growth and know chlorine has a detrimental impact on fish... if your water source has chlorine, why wouldn't you dechlorinate it (Prime, dissipation, etc.)?

Dissipation isn't instant, and it'll definitely be pumping through your filters for a couple hours before the chlorine isn't gone. Doesn't mean you won't be able to keep fish, but I'm not going to risk chlorine exposure for any reason. If I know something I can't ignore it or risk my fish health!

Heck, water treatment plants dechlorinate the treated water before it goes back where it came from - obviously that is a hint!

I have just read through this whole thread and I have to say the 2 posts above are the most sensible posts IMO. As cchhcc and Acer have stated "Chloramine does not evaporate like chlorine"
The main reason I use prime is not just for the fish. Although Chlorine/Chloramine is harmful to the fish, I am more concerned with the negative effects on my biological filters. Chlorine will kill off biological bacteria causing a mini cycle every w/c as Rallysman pointed out earlier. I change 60-70% at a time and for this reason I use Prime before I replace the water. I also leave the filters off for about 15 minutes after the tank is full to make sure the Prime has done it's job so I dont kill off any benificial bacteria in my filters....

 

[BTB0923]

Kind of a ballsey move to tell what is almost definitely the majority of the readers of your thread that they are falling for a scam without a LOT of evidence to back it up. I agree that you probably should have worded your first post a little better so as not to misinform any readers that might take this opinion as fact.

 

[Chago09]

LOL i don't know who bigspizz is and I don't think I told you to run along although I can safely say that with CCFFCC return this thread is now totalled. It got ugly, which I apologized for and it then returned to sanity and actual discussion. If the two of you would read the ten pages you would then understand. Bigspizz don't mix yourself with CCFFCC because he really does need to run along.

I know the first post was moronic and I apologized because it wasn't sounding like that in my head when I typed. CCFFCC just re-posted his first post. Everything he said was exactly correct, although everyone of those points I already addressed that I was incorrect about before he posted it. Which lets me know he didn't even read the thread and only read the first post and then posted himself. Which then only makes the thread go in circles. If you even go back one page you will see that the discussion was normal again, because people were actually reading it all were posting.

Big Spizz welcome and please don't even defend CCFFCC, he might think you wanna be his bff

 

[Chago09]

I really wish you would have worded your post better. Suggest to us that in some areas dechlorinators are not necessary, and give us advice on how to find out if we are in one of those areas. That is what you meant… but that is not what you said… and what you said was extremely different and somewhat insulting… I’m also not impressed with you recent back peddling to your previous comments…

I Googled: Chlorine fish

Every one of the links on the first page suggest that Chlorine is bad for fish and should be removed… amusing how all these people, including the US Fish & Wildlife Service, know less about fish health than you do. Why aren’t you famous?

To the newbie… please do not accept this guys words at face value… do some homework and learn the truth… or if you don’t want to invest the time please error on the side of caution…

LOL you wish!!!! LOL I wish I did because we wouldn't be returning to this stuff, rather what we were talking about on page 7-9 was more what the original intention was

 

[balton777]

I have just read through this whole thread and I have to say the 2 posts above are the most sensible posts IMO.

I agree....both well thought out and informative posts. cchhcc has been around this hobby for a while and is very knowledgable.

 

[Camshaft Ramrod]

I'm at a loss for words. Alot of the comments on this thread really upset me.
I feel sorry for any noob that happens upon this thread.
That's all I have to say.

 

[bigspizz]

It's cchhcc, and he can defend himself...I took offense to your tone, and not only matched it, raised you a few bucks As long as we all can agree on sensibility, and common sense, the discussion can remain civil...I admitted to not reading all of the thread, and asked if what I said had been addressed....No need to try and make people look like fools because you were wrong.....cchhcc is respected in this hobby, you are way off by trying to make him the ass....