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Terrorblade90

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After I read the dr.Ross'book "Freshwater stingrays" and after I discussed on this forum about the qualification of my tank to keep a stingray, I've decide to publish a summary of the technical characteristic of my tank and the fish population.

1) The tank is a 576 litres, 120 (l)x60(w)x80. It has an external filter (an Askoll, 1300 l/h pump, biological and mechanical filtration) and a modificated pump (approximately 1000 l/h, modified to do a mechanical filtration). There is also an internal warmer (300 watt; in a strategic position) and a bubble-maker (275 l/h). Lighting: 2 80 W. HQL.
2) The water parametres are: pH 6,5, hardness 3 KH/5 GH, ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates 5 mg/l, conductivity 250 microSiemens. The water is change twice a month (100 litres every change with 3/4 osmosis and 1/4 tap water).
3)The population is: 1 Gobiosoma broussonnettii (21 cm.), 1 Crenichicla sp. xingu (approximately 14 cm;male), 1 Pantodon bucholzii (app. 8 cm;male), 1 Agamyxis pectinfrons (app. 18 cm;female?), 2 Polypterus palmas polli (female app. 25 cm.; male app. 15-20 cm.).
3) Plants: some Anubias, two Echinodorus and one very big Microsorum. There is a great population of Pistia (frequently pruning). In the future I'll buy other Echinodorus and some Vallisneria to improve the water quality (that I'll put in some apposite site around the glasses;see below);I'll buy they three weeks before the ray.
4) Decoration: some roots; two little river stones (not chalky). Bottom: 5-10 cm. of fine sand (<0,5 cm.). The decoration is only around the glasses, so there is a 80x 60 free-swimming (and free-burying) area.
5) The rays I want keep is a "P. reticulata" (and so it can be a dummerillii, a orbigny or other :irked:). Sold such medium-sized (diameter 15 centimetres or more I think). Quarantine in the fish shop (I've make a deal with the dealer-sorry for the play on words :)) for two weeks. It'll be accustomed in the fish shop to eat bloodworms, and the dealer will try to reproduce the water parametres of my tank.

So...some suggestions?
 
would u be able to get a bigger tank or have a home for the ray once he gets to bug for ur tank. if so and you plan for it i say go for it
 
Maybe you have a huge home and a million...how hell can I buy a tank bigger than this?!:irked:
Sorry, but...I've already decised to buy the ray, and I wanted only suggest about the tank or the population! Do you not think that maybe if I've decised to buy a relativley little stingray is only because I know that my BIG tank (maybe for you isn't a big tank, but for me yes, it is) cannot contain a stingrays as a motoro?
 
Well if you can't properly house an animal you want, you shouldn't keep it. But thats my opinion.

The thing is, it will fit untill the ray grows to its 30cm disc diameter(A retic can grow to this size given enough time) If you take into account that the ray's total length with tail etc. would be over 50cm, you can figure out for yourself that a 1,2*0,6 meter tank is to small
 
rays might not be the fish for you now... and you might need to increase your water change schedule as well.... do you think you can get rid of it easily in your area when it out grows your tank???
 
Sorry for my reaction, but you've to understand that I've read the dr. Ross' book and, in the paragraph about the minimum size of the tank, he say that a 120x60 is the minimum size for small species (as the "reticulata" group), so...who is right?
 
I already have a 30cm DW male motoro living in a 540Lt (150x60) and i can see he needs a lot more space. I do 30% WC every ten days, and his only partner is a Panaque nigrolineatus. Eats 500gr of fish, 4 live FW crabs (Procambarus), 6 big shrimps and 10 earthworms every month, filter w/UV runs 2800Lt/h. Hes going to a 3500Lt tank i´ll start building after summer, so he´ll be in there only for a few months not lifetime.
You can house retics for maybe 2 years ´till they´re fully grown, but you´ll need to update to a bigger tank to give them the space they need.
Jus my 2cents (as they say in States ;))...
 
Of course, but an adult retic become big as your motoro (if I understand, ca. 45 cm. tail included), so where is the problem? Yeah, maybe it isn't alone (there is other fishes), and the bottom surface is more little, but I think that I can keep one (just one) relatively little stingray in a comfortable manner. I'm not cruel with animals, and I never keep an animal that I don't know or I cannot keep. I want only say that some times ago someone suggest me that I can keep in my tank an Hepsetus odoe. So, the Hepsetus odoe is a fish that reach this lenght (in captivity; in nature more than one meter!) and it is a very active predator, than why don't try whit a ray?
(Sorry for my ignorance, but DW means diameter?)
 
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