Design a ray trap

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I think common sense would tell you not to have the front of the door facing the current.
Rays are quite strong enough to open the door, I've seen my rays flip tree trunk sizes of drift wood and my largest male would move a large oval shaped peice of marble the size of a 10-pin bowling ball, until I moved it out. I have no doubt, they could open the door.
 
cool, good to know. It would help if a certain size, species was being saught after, as I think the door may limit it to certain size or strength. While a big ray I have no doubt may be strong enough, the only ray I have owned was a reticulated that no way could push a door like that open IMO. Also, im sure there are differences in captive and wild rays. It would be interesting to test these traps in a very large aquarium with 10 FX5's and some powerheads providing current right in front of the traps.
 
I took aj's ideas and added a spring to the door.

I suck at paint but here it is anyway, i would use autocad but no file extension for pdf or dwg on MFK. So it is real basic.


edit: sorry it is so small click on it to view.
also it ay need bricks/rocks to help anchor it down.

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keepinfish;3244842; said:
can export it to many extensions but not jpg, atleast not to my knowledge. Can print it to pdf though.

print it to pdf, then open it with adobe, and you can save it as a jpeg ;)
 
did not have time to draw in detail, but i think the lightweight spring operated door would keep the water current from opening the door.

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here is a quick idea of mine .

based around a minow trap using the bottle neck design of a crap trap and adapting it for a ray or other flat fish .

its designed to hold in the current so the weight could be a simple anchor not necessarly heavy but the anchor will make sure the trap is facing the correct way . the shape and solid front panel help to keep the trap down on the bottom and in the path of the current and the fin helps to keep it stable .

water movment in the trap itself will be reduce due to the shape and so easier on a traped ray but there will still be benifical movement

the rear panel is more solid but not necessirily totally solid to help funnel the scent of the bait the right way

if the trap is longer than it is thin then you could probably do away with a directional fin . if its squar then the fin would be needed i think

the rays would enter through the back and go up as they would the edge of a glas tank . on reachint the top they would go over and into the body of the trap .

getting out they would go up and feel the edge and be reluctant to travel down in a similar way although not impossible . ( much like its not imposible for a lobster to get out of its trap yet the pots still work )

there are no moving parts ( other than the anchor chane / twin / whatever ) and so less to go wrong .

the entrance gaps would need to be tested and worked around to find the optimal size but esentialy i think it would work well and could easily be made into a colapsable desitng or just simply as kit form held togethter with tie wraps or something .

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very nice design gaz! i completely agree with you that no moving parts is crucial to an underwater trap in a river system. When I throw my fishing line in the water for a matter of minutes it pulls up all kinda gunk that caught prevent moving parts from functioning right. However, i dont think a ray would be detered solely by an edge (not to mention to get in they have to cross that edge). What would you think about adding a piece of metal to the adge exactly like this shape and angle " / "? It would kinda act like a squirrel guard they put on the post of a bird feeder (even though they never work for lol).
 
im not sure where you would put your lege but im not sure it would work . the rays will hapily find the top and bottom of the trap regarless of the edge so internally it would only work if the ray was going up the side ,but could still be usefull.

i think they would get round any internal ledge just by checking he top of the trap . however after finding the escape route and feeling an inner wall just after i think they would be detered ( ledge or no ledge ). after all how often do you see a ray swimming aloing the bottom of a tank and up the side of the glass ?

now how often do you see a ray swimming along the top of the water and then down the glass eyes facing the glass ? this would be the way they would feel the inner ledge making them swim that way and i think the majority would avoid doing this . i dont think i have ever seen my rays swim down the glass in this way and i dont see the trap as much different.

the only way i see it failing is if the ray swam upside down against the upper edge of the trap and then escaped in the same way it entered. but with the flow of the river and the trap being directional with the flow i dont think it would happen .

be interesting to get it tested though . its a simple idea with no moving parts , the anchor can be anythign . tree . rock . actual anchor anything.
 
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