Not sure which one, but hears my pic of a Barred Midas, I picked up from Pet Land Discounts, They sold it to me as a Red Devil, He was super aggressive! When I would do a water change, He would attack my hand so I had to let him go,
Diffrence in Red head barred Midas
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It's a shame someone emailed me to look at this thread to possibly add something positive or helpful to the discussion.
When I read a reply like this, however, I have to ask myself 'to what means or to who's benefit can the above comment be applied?'
If I categorized or sorted barred midas and sold the more red individuals for a greater amount, or if I gave them cute names like Pyro or mucho masculine names to generate increased trade, then the above statement may apply. If I dubbed some 'flame head zebra midas' or 'blushing tiger midas', I may actually increase sales of the fish. But I could never.
That is not my way and I wish to make that clear if it's not already.
I use a straightforward approach that if the fish come from a known geographical area, then I will provide that information in parenthesis after the species name.
Case in point (copied and pasted directly from my stock list below):
Amphilophus citrinellus ‘wild Managua’ 7-8” 75.00 or 2 @ 65.00 ea. black barred/redhead barred wild caught San Francisco Libre, Managua ‘barred midas’
“ citrinellus ‘Rio Tempisque’ 3-3.5” 12.50 or 5 @ 10.00 ea. F1 redhead barred midas cichlids from Costa Rica
These races of midas originate/were collected from known locations.
While the drainages they occur are not connected, the fish are mostly similar in appearance. Granted, variations are observed (as should be expected) among individuals in a given population. Some are more boldly barred, some have red over cranial area, some more or less red over operculum or even on flanks. Some fish are more gold base color over body, etc.
I haven't an adult photo of the midas from Rio Tempisque, but I have collected and seen many.
I think the fish from Siquirres (pictured immediately below) would most closely match their general appearance at that size indicated.
Further below is a photo of the Rio Tempisque midas at their current size of 3-3.5".
The 'many faces of barred midas' limited edition to follow, including some older photos of the midas collected from Isletas on the big lake.
One male and one female were collected and received in separate imports that featured this golden color. They are here and I hope to have fry from them this summer. Maybe I should call them 'bumblebee midas'
And does anyone remember 'Bighead'?
My point was clear I stated that these color types are sold as new fish, while many variations are found at the same locations, new fish more money, as for "red isletas" I found many "red isletas" all over Granada and the surrounding areas....
Jeff's point was clear, too. He's not selling "color types" as "new fish". He's selling a species of fish from a known collection point, and providing a picture of it to boot. The exact opposite of the cheap marketing tactics you deride. As someone who has alot of trouble acquiring CA cichlids from reputable sources, and actually getting what I ordered, I deeply appreciate knowing that I'll get what I ordered when I order from Jeff.
There's not enough of that in the world today.
There's not enough of that in the world today.
"I use a straightforward approach that if the fish come from a known geographical area, then I will provide that information in parenthesis after the species name."
I have never understood why that is such a difficult concept to grasp, for some people? Since when is too much info a bad thing for a consumer? Marketing? Umm, ya, very accurate marketing, the exact type of marketing that any serious buyer of fish can often only dream about. Not only does Jeff give the location (as in the body of water) but goes even further to pinpoint the actual collection location within that body of water. Gee, what a concept, some actual transparency in this hobby!
And these aren't made up marketing names, but actual names given to these locations by the locals, and even cited in scientific literature, such as the following paper:
http://www.evolutionsbiologie.uni-konstanz.de/pdf1-182/P159.pdf
Many authors studying this species within the crater lakes also state that geographically distant populations within the large lakes showed some degree of genetic differentiation as well.
For anyone that is serious about keeping and breeding wild caught (or their offspring) this is exactly the type of information that they should be asking, and supplying to their future customers. No different than what you will hopefully find for all species of cichlids, found in all large bodies of water. To a simple layperson geographical variants may appear on the outside to all be the same fish, but often times those slight variations in outer appearance, such as distinct color morphs, may later be found to be slightly different in genetic make up as well.
Time to let your nit picking nonsense go, newworld. Jeff is one of the good guys and your constant harping about this every time one of these fish is brought up in a discussion is getting really old. Yes, we all know that you've been to CA and caught some native fish, big whoop.
I have never understood why that is such a difficult concept to grasp, for some people? Since when is too much info a bad thing for a consumer? Marketing? Umm, ya, very accurate marketing, the exact type of marketing that any serious buyer of fish can often only dream about. Not only does Jeff give the location (as in the body of water) but goes even further to pinpoint the actual collection location within that body of water. Gee, what a concept, some actual transparency in this hobby!
And these aren't made up marketing names, but actual names given to these locations by the locals, and even cited in scientific literature, such as the following paper:
http://www.evolutionsbiologie.uni-konstanz.de/pdf1-182/P159.pdf
Many authors studying this species within the crater lakes also state that geographically distant populations within the large lakes showed some degree of genetic differentiation as well.
For anyone that is serious about keeping and breeding wild caught (or their offspring) this is exactly the type of information that they should be asking, and supplying to their future customers. No different than what you will hopefully find for all species of cichlids, found in all large bodies of water. To a simple layperson geographical variants may appear on the outside to all be the same fish, but often times those slight variations in outer appearance, such as distinct color morphs, may later be found to be slightly different in genetic make up as well.
Time to let your nit picking nonsense go, newworld. Jeff is one of the good guys and your constant harping about this every time one of these fish is brought up in a discussion is getting really old. Yes, we all know that you've been to CA and caught some native fish, big whoop.
You mean like this thread from back in 2009 when he first posted them for sale?
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...-week-of-january-26-2009.208934/#post-2688058
Wow, what a marketing genius using all those flashy descriptions of such rare, exotic, and uber expensive fish!
And I also remember this past thread as well, where you were also griping about the term "Isletas", and how you perceived this vendors use of the term. And on perfect cue another vendor came in & took his kick at the can.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/lets-see-those-red-isletas.554950/
My memory is still intact, thanks.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...-week-of-january-26-2009.208934/#post-2688058
Wow, what a marketing genius using all those flashy descriptions of such rare, exotic, and uber expensive fish!
And I also remember this past thread as well, where you were also griping about the term "Isletas", and how you perceived this vendors use of the term. And on perfect cue another vendor came in & took his kick at the can.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/lets-see-those-red-isletas.554950/
My memory is still intact, thanks.
" sp. red Isletas 2-2.5 10.00 1st time TUIC exclusive import! F1 juves. of barred red head species", nowhere in this description does it say citrinellum, leading the buyer to think this is a new species, do you see this rd?
as for another vendor coming in on "perfect cue" to question this "exclusive import" yes we staged that, come on are you serious?
This is my last comment on this thread unless it gets really interesting...
as for another vendor coming in on "perfect cue" to question this "exclusive import" yes we staged that, come on are you serious?
This is my last comment on this thread unless it gets really interesting...
