DIY fish food

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Isnt that just contradicting that those ingredients are used as fillers? To save costs of course. But if you are to continue, do you have access to the original research of Sugiura? The so called research that verifies that corn and such are good for the fish? I read the document you attached but I cant find the original, real, research
 
Isnt that just contradicting that those ingredients are used as fillers?

No. As I attempted to explain previously, it all boils down to inclusion rates. Sometimes even too much of a good thing, can become a negative. This even holds true with certain vitamins. Even an essential nutrient such as Vitamin A can become a negative, and cause toxicity to a fish if too high of an inclusion rate is used. It's all about balance.

Commercial farmers are pushing the envelope with lower cost ingredients & spending millions in research in an attempt to lower overall production costs, not to nutrient starve their fish.

There is a TON of research out there in this area, and I'm sure that a lot of it can be found via a number of internet searches. I suggest that you spend a few hours, days, weeks, reading what has been taking place in commercial aquaculture circles for the past decade or so then perhaps you will have a more thorough understanding of some of this, so called research.
 
then im sure you are aware that the research does not agree. I remember when I was in middle school and I learned too much Vit A is bad. So as you have said, commercial farmers and commercial feeds are pushing too hard and putting out food that isnt healthy, whether or not their lab research agrees. By the way, if you are familiar with science, especially nutrition, then im sure you know that lab research does not always work in practical application. Science is always about being skeptical of other peoples' work. Never blindly agree to something you have read, even if research supports it. because there is a LOT of other research that argues against that very research. It is always an arguement until all of the little influencing factors are discovered and fully understood.
 
The research does not agree with what?

As previously stated, obviously not all fish food is created equally with regards to overall inclusion rates OR quality of raw ingredients, nutrient value, digestibility, etc, any more than are dog foods, cat foods, bird foods, etc. .

I'm not blindly agreeing with anything, or anyone's data, some of these feed trials, including my own, have been ongoing for decades. Where's your research? Where's your data to support that raw ingredients such as wheat, corn, or soy have zero nutrient value to a fish, and are only used to fill some kind of imaginary void in a pellet/flake food?

And just so there's no confusion on anyone's part, I am not advocating feeding corn products, soybean meal, or anything else to their fish. I am simply responding to some of the previous comments made in this discussion that had no validity to them.

In the absence of facts, everyone's an expert ........
 
I've been feeding garlic, at a lower inclusion rate via the pellets that I feed, for the past decade. Nothing but strong healthy fish to show for it.


But I definitely agree about the V8 ........
 
i've been making my own fish food for a few months now. I mainly use veggies and my fish love them. I don't feed it every day just 3 times a week to accompany NLS. I don't use gelatin either. I just puree the ingredients and put them in mini ice cube trays and freeze them.

1 tilapia fillet
5 raw deveined shrimp
1/4 cucumber, peeled.
1/4 cup unshelled peas
2 cloves garlic
2 tsp spirulina powder
 
dasani - you might want to scroll back up a few posts to the portion on feeding raw peas to fish.


There are far better alternatives to peas.
 
dasani - you might want to scroll back up a few posts to the portion on feeding raw peas to fish.


There are far better alternatives to peas.

thank you RD :), I skimmed through the thread and missed that. I also didn't put that I steam the peas first so its soft and easier to puree. I guess I won't be including peas in my next batch.
 
Actually, no, not a single unnatural preservative (ascorbic acid is used), and next to zero salt in the juice I use for my fish. I use approximately 6-7 oz. The rest of the liquid is water, or liquid from the oysters. I only use 4 cloves of garlic, which is enough to be an attractant, and enough to kill small amounts of bad bacteria. It acts as an immune booster, as well.
As far as the actual amount of tomatoes, it is very little. It's also healthy. Once they're cooked, their acids are broken down, and they contain necessary vitamins.
I use gelatin because when I made it without it, it totally fouled my water. The gelatin won't harm anything, and it helps things stay together.
Some people are comfortable feeding their fish refined soy, refined wheat flour, and other ingredients that are processed and hardly resemble a whole food. I'm not.
We all have to do what we're comfortable with.
 
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