DIY sumps in compact areas?? need space saving ideas

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Tokay

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Just thought id ask this question and see if anyone has some good info on an answer. Basicly im doing my third diy sump for my 250 gallon but im always limited on space under the tank. Usually it is the width and height that im limited on. If i was to use 4x4's to build the stand for my 250 and make the stand flush with the tank and not make it wider or longer then my tank it would leave me with 8" in between the frame of the stand and a few inches under 1.5' for the rest of the area. Thats because my 250 is only 1.5' wide. To make more space for a large sump i would have to make my stand bigger or put the sump behind the stand on the floor but i dont want to do that. And i also want to fit my 3.5' uv sterilizer under there too. Im just looking for space saving ideams and ideas for having a large sump or large overflow.

For now ill just keep searching the fourm. Thanks mfk and eveyrone for your input.

For my 180 i used 4x4's for the stand and pvc drainig system in the middle leaving me with an area 18" wide and 2 feet under the pvc draing ( i should have used tubes that i could move around and addjust them). I didn't make that one overflow style so i put valves on the main drain (tip: don't use a large valve controler unless u have high water flow, bercause if you do 1mm turn will make a huge difference in the flow of the water) and i used all plastic tubes for media, bio balls, overflow. And for when the power shuts off i just bulkheaded another 30 gallon plastic tub to the sump tub that fills up when the power shuts off. It would have been nice to use glass tanks but it would have been so hard to fit one or two under there at the right size and then have space for an overflow when the power shuts off. that leaves me wiht like a 1.5'x1.5' area left under it.

For my double stack 80's (top tank drains into the bottom then into sump then back to top all internaly) it was a similar setup but this one was overflow so a lil easier. They are on a metal frame and pvc draining so i only have1.5' or less of height and just under 4' length. Not to much to work with and has to be enough area for a sump that would hold enough water when power shuts off. I ended up using a 25 gallon tub and it works just fine.
 
This is what I would do, it will take some more parts, and a few more tanks, but it accomplishes the maximum space you can have under your stand without comprimising the strength. This is just a rough sketch. Another option would be to follow this idea, but use two 55s depending on the length of the tank, but unless its REALLY high, I'd asssume its a 10' tank?

Space save sump.JPG
 
Another option is to place the wet/dry above the tank. Build a large canopy to cover it up. You can pump the water up and let gravity return it.

Colin
 
The tank is 8' long x 2.5' high x 1.5' wide acrylic with 4 threaded bulkhead drains on the bottom (1 offset), 4 drains on the top (2 large) and all are turned off or plugged at the moment.

If i was to build my stand and say extend it an extra 6" for a trim and ledge, it would leave me with a gap of 1'4" between the 4x4's and about 7' in length. And as for heigth with the wood form the stad, it would leave me with like just over 2.5' and id need room for the water to drain from pvc or tubing. So i would have to use tanks that are small enough to fit inbetween there ( i might get custom wet/dry made so i could tell them the size or how many tanks or one and just at on another tub to it). And using something similar to the pic above, should i have each one filter or one do soemthing different then the other or filter media and bio balls in each one? Im guessing it wouldn't matter to much just as long as there is enough media, big enough section for bio balls, big enough area for heaters, plus carbon and other media. And then try to fit my uv sterilizer under there or in the system.
 
Using that idea rvrrays, would you put the pump inside the tank and pump it up or have the pump on the top and tub pumping from the tank (assuming it can run in some water up there incase power shuts off at house to prevent burnout)? Would it be alright for the pump to run like that without worrying about stuff going through the pump such as objects from the tank or any type of food im feed the fish (large fish food or small) dirty stuff or anything?
 
Tokay;553085; said:
Using that idea rvrrays, would you put the pump inside the tank and pump it up or have the pump on the top and tub pumping from the tank (assuming it can run in some water up there incase power shuts off at house to prevent burnout)? Would it be alright for the pump to run like that without worrying about stuff going through the pump such as objects from the tank or any type of food im feed the fish (large fish food or small) dirty stuff or anything?

I use a similar method to filter my pond.

The pump sits inside the tank...or pond in my case.
 
and you pond doesn't get slowed, stuffed, or cloged up? i have a similar filatrion/wet,dry on my pond and it get stopped up all the time, im going to have to use a large coark like pre filter for it.
 
rvrrays;553071; said:
Another option is to place the wet/dry above the tank. Build a large canopy to cover it up. You can pump the water up and let gravity return it.

Colin

They have something like that here in japan that they sell called a siphon filter..i think. havent seen any for large size tanks though. pump is inside the filter and gravity returns it on the other end.
 
I run the sumpless filter on my 55 gallon, and I have had very little in the way of problems. A shop in tacoma, wa built a custom acrylic tank that had several small chambers made of acrylic on top, with small slats between the sections. These chambers were about 6"x12"x6". They were completely inclosed with a removable lid. Very interesting design. Never got to see it running though.
 
Tokay;553072; said:
The tank is 8' long x 2.5' high x 1.5' wide acrylic with 4threaded bulkhead drains on the bottom (1 offset), 4 drains on the top (2 large) and all are turned off or plugged at the moment.

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Why not post a picture of what you have so we don't have to keep guessing. I would love to help but it is counter productive to take the time to post only to find out that complete information was not given in the first place.

One other thing...for every hundred or so people asking for advice on dream sized tanks, only one or two actually has the tank or the resources to get one. Post a pic and more people will be willing to take the time to help.
 
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