DO WILD CICHLIDS DISPLAY MORE VIBRANT COLORS THAN SECOND GENERATION FISH

[japes]

one thing i dont get is the whole f0 f1 f2 thing cause if those two F0 had the same fry in the wild they would still be F0's yet is the same fish have the same fry in a tank there F1 and if those fry survied in the wild they would have f0 fry in a tank tho theyed have F2 fry yet the genes have not changed

so really the first ever fish of the spieces would be a F0 and anything caught these days would be F3608200

If Noah took 2 of every fish onto his Ark perhaps.

I'm not an Biologist/Ichthyologist and this isn't science, but it's my reasoning. F1 is 1 because it's the first blood related generation of fish from an F0 pair presuming they weren't siblings, and so on. There's a reason it starts at 0, not 1.

 

[syndicate]

If Noah took 2 of every fish onto his Ark perhaps.

I'm not an Biologist/Ichthyologist and this isn't science, but it's my reasoning. F1 is 1 because it's the first blood related generation of fish from an F0 pair presuming they weren't siblings, and so on. There's a reason it starts at 0, not 1.

yes but wouldnt those f0 be f1 from a f0 pair seeing how there the first blood related generation from there parents?


im not trying to argue just makes no sense unless your inbreeding

 

[japes]

yes but wouldnt those f0 be f1 from a f0 pair seeing how there the first blood related generation from there parents?


im not trying to argue just makes no sense unless your inbreeding

Yes but wouldn't those F0 be F1 from another F0 pair? You could do that forever.

Completely regardless of the limited chance of a wild caught male and female being related:

F0 signifying a wild caught pair, related or not.
F1 is the 1st generation of captive bred specimens from aforementioned F0 specimens.
F2 is the fry from one of the F1 pairs, second generation from the original pair.

.. and so on. Inbreeding is often a necessity, especially for those countries with import restrictions. Hence why irresponsible hybrid breeders are a disaster. Inbreeding is also perfectly acceptable provided standards are adhered to and breaches are culled, the deformity rates have been posted here before and even F5+ generations are quality fish provided the fry are culled and controlled as necessary.

 

[greenterra]

Yes but wouldn't those F0 be F1 from another F0 pair? You could do that forever.

Completely regardless of the limited chance of a wild caught male and female being related:

F0 signifying a wild caught pair, related or not.
F1 is the 1st generation of captive bred specimens from aforementioned F0 specimens.
F2 is the fry from one of the F1 pairs, second generation from the original pair.

.. and so on. Inbreeding is often a necessity, especially for those countries with import restrictions. Hence why irresponsible hybrid breeders are a disaster. Inbreeding is also perfectly acceptable provided standards are adhered to and breaches are culled, the deformity rates have been posted here before and even F5+ generations are quality fish provided the fry are culled and controlled as necessary.

I agree and to clarify captive bred, that means any fish bred in a dam,pond, tank or any body of water other than their natural environment.

 

[syndicate]

ok ok

but for the record a f1 baby could end up nicer then the F0 parents cause its inherited the best of both off the parents?

example one has good base color n average spangles and one has average base color and awsome spangles

 

[Somethingfishyinc.net]

my experience. Mostly Africans & some SA,CA. Wild are more trouble being skiddish, more aggressive & take awhile to warm up to being in a glass box. F1's I would prefer. Like has been said, they attend to be more active & tamer then the wilds. Color attends to be better because of diet & conditions. Improve color by putting them in an outdoor pond to bring out some more color especially in reds/oranges in some fishes.

When I collected fish in Peru I did not really notice a lot of wild fish being more colorful then some I have seen in the aquariums? (go to a ACA show).
I did notice the sizes of some Apistos that were giants compared what I have seen in the trade.

Knowing your source where you get your stock the better chances knowing if they are fo, f1 etc...?

me Dave

 

[caribemob]

Mob, are you saying those fish are better looking than the tank raised specimen? Promising and similar, but certainly not obviously more striking.

i believe since they are only 8'' in that tank, i feel that there color is more promising than the one that's full grown almost, picture when umbeeking's blue males get that size, wow however they are all nice fish

 

[caribemob]

This sums it up perfectly IMO and is probably the single best statement/question yet.

Like I said prior to this , There are some wild species that not only have more vibrant color's but actually have a more brute look, and my examples were with some fish dude , not all cichlids, some some some, for example Salvini and dovii just to name a couple. My wild dovii that I have have hump's at 6'' and had them b4 hand. They also have teeth and jaws and a taller body then any captive bred Dovii at that size i've seen

 

[caribemob]

now Remember I didn't just say color, cuz it seems where getting stuck on just color, what about size and jaws, and thickness, and nunchal hump's

 

[Modest_Man]

I'll take photos of a 24-25" dovii male tomorrow night that is 4th generation in the SAME tank. Show me one that size in the wild. Fish in captivity get larger and live longer than their wild counterparts. Think about it. More food and no predation.