DO YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION?

[keepinfish]

Good observations that people who want to believe in evolution will discard and stop reading by the third paragraph lol

yea and the text is hard to read...lol

 

[cichlid2006]

there is one good example of evolution happening right in front of us. rats! as rats have much, much faster reproductive rates they obviously create more generations in a shorter space of time allowing scientists to study evolution up close without the huge waiting period associated with other animals. over the period of 30yrs or so rats have reproduced so many new generations that some colonies have evolved to become immune to the regular rat poisons and are uneffected by them other colonies are showing less reaction to the same poisons which states they are heading in the immune direction.
some experts estimate its only gonna be a couple of decades before we have "super" rats on our hands that are immune to all the regular poisons. even now some areas are having to develop/use previously unused or new poisons and some exterminators are even going back to the old snap trap method rather than poisoning the masses as traps such as the t-rex traps are cheap and re-usable.
other examples of speedy evolution can be seen in the insect world where some bugs, headlice for example, are becoming resistant to conventional chemicals. resorting to natural remedies that cannot be adapted to.

 

[Bogwoodbruce]

My boss knows a hell of a lot about fish and he explained this to me but i cant remember it 100% so.....

Apparently there are 3 degress of fish,

1. Salt water these live in the oceans and have evolved in full salt, they cant tolerate fresh conditions their swim bladder hasnt devloped enough to change

2. Second degree, which are rift lake cichlids and rays to extent, they can tolerate much higher salinity levels and move in between fresh and brackish zones, they dont mind the higher magnesium levels in water

3. Third degree being regular tropical fish and coldwater

Im probably wrong but he can explain it a lot better and knows far more than me

 

[Gr8KarmaSF]

I may have been a bit out of line, but it DOES perplex me...

I'm a little curious, why wasn't the Frog/Prince comment included in the list of Thread-closing statements?

To much to read through! Must have missed it...

 

[SovietFireExtinguisher]

You cant deny evolution!! Its just the way it is seriously you cant not believe in evolution.

Yeah, apparently they can. That's what makes the world great though ain't it?

 

[jartist15]

i think for sure, but i think it is more natural selection, in my mind makes perfect sense, the strong survive the weak die, so if i fish needs a bigger mouth to eat more prey and prosper, the fish with the bigger mouth out does the same fish with a small mouth, thusly breeding more and passing on its genetic code of bigger mouth, his offspring do the same until the only survivors are the big mouths, human sort of intervene in animals and do the same, just look at dogs breeds and dwarf ponies

 

[jartist15]

based on that i think over time you could end up with a stingray that slowly lost its need for salt water, maybe went brackish first then the sea level goes down, only the offspring that require less salt would survive

 

[SovietFireExtinguisher]

instead of quoting hafl the commetns mentioned, here are some great comments tht sum it up.!






Quotes by Evolutionists

“Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever.”
Fresno Bee, August 20, 1959, p. 1-B [quoting *T.N. Tahmisian, physiologist for the Atomic Energy Commission].

"I personally hold the evolutionary position, but yet lament the fact that the majority of our Ph.D. graduates are frightfully ignorant of many of the serious problems of the evolution theory. These problems will not be solved unless we bring them to the attention of students. Most students assume evolution is proved, the missing link is found, and all we have left is a few rough edges to smooth out. Actually, quite the contrary is true; and many recent discoveries . . have forced us to re-evaluate our basic assumptions."
Director of a large graduate biology department, quoted in Creation: The Cutting Edge (1982), p. 28.

"Evolution is perhaps unique among major scientific theories in that the appeal for its acceptance is not that there is evidence of it, but that any other proposed interpretation of the data is wholly incredible."
Charles Singer, A Short History of Science to the Nineteenth Century, 1941.

"Evolution…is not only under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being questioned by reputable scientists. Among paleontologists, scientists who study the fossil record, there is growing dissent from the prevailing view of Darwinism."
James Gorman, "The Tortoise or the Hare?" Discover, October 1980, p. 88.

"It might be argued that the theory is quite unsubstantiated and has status only as a speculation."
George G. Simpson, Major Features, pp. 118-119.

"Modern Darwinian paleontologists are obliged, just like their predecessors and like Darwin, to water down the facts with subsidiary hypotheses, which, however plausible, are in the nature of things unverifiable . . and the reader is left with the feeling that if the data do not support the theory they really ought to . . This situation, where scientific men rally to the defense of a doctrine they are unable to define scientifically, much less demonstrate with scientific rigor, attempting to maintain its credit with the public by the suppression of criticism and the elimination of difficulties, is abnormal and undesirable in science."
W.R. Thompson, "Introduction," Origin of Species; statement reprinted in Journal of the American Affiliation, March 1960.
"The overriding supremacy of the myth has created a widespread illusion that the theory of evolution was all but proved one hundred years ago and that all subsequent biological research—paleontological, zoological and in the newer branches of genetics and molecular biology—has provided ever-increasing evidence for Darwinian ideas. Nothing could be further from the truth.”
"Throughout the past century there has always existed a significant minority of first-rate biologists who have never been able to bring themselves to accept the validity of Darwinian claims. In fact, the number of biologists who have expressed some degree of disillusionment is practically endless.”
Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1986), p. 327.

"The particular truth is simply that we have no reliable evidence as to the evolutionary sequence .”
J. Bonner, "Book Review," American Scientist 49:1961, p. 240.

"The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific knowledge."—Albert Fleishman, zoologist.
“…evolution not only conveys no knowledge but it seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge." Colin Patterson, Address at the American Museum of Natural History (November 5, 1981). Head of the paleontology department.
“It may come as a shock to some, but fewer than 50 percent of the radiocarbon dates from geological and archaeological samples…have been adopted as “acceptable” by investigators.” J. Ogden III, Annals of the New York Academy of Science, Vol 288, 1977, pages 167-173
“If a C-14 date supports our theories, we put I in the main text. If it does not entirely contradict them, we put them in a footnote. And if it is completely ‘out-of-date,’ we just drop it.” T. Save-Soderbergh and Ingrid U. Olsson,”C-14 Dating and Egyptian Chronology,” Radiocarbon Variations and Absolute Chronology, ed. Ingrid U. Olsson, page 35
To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances …could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absured in the highest degree.” Charles Darwin, The Origin of the Species (1909 Harvard Classics edition), page 190

Any quotes from this millennial?

 

[keepinfish]

there is one good example of evolution happening right in front of us. rats! as rats have much, much faster reproductive rates they obviously create more generations in a shorter space of time allowing scientists to study evolution up close without the huge waiting period associated with other animals. over the period of 30yrs or so rats have reproduced so many new generations that some colonies have evolved to become immune to the regular rat poisons and are uneffected by them other colonies are showing less reaction to the same poisons which states they are heading in the immune direction.
some experts estimate its only gonna be a couple of decades before we have "super" rats on our hands that are immune to all the regular poisons. even now some areas are having to develop/use previously unused or new poisons and some exterminators are even going back to the old snap trap method rather than poisoning the masses as traps such as the t-rex traps are cheap and re-usable.
other examples of speedy evolution can be seen in the insect world where some bugs, headlice for example, are becoming resistant to conventional chemicals. resorting to natural remedies that cannot be adapted to.

by selective breeding we can slightly change animals, dog's for example have changed over the last 30 years, but this is not evolution.

 

[Tom500]

Yeah, apparently the can. That's what makes the world great though ain't it?

Haha it sure is

I supose you can, not believe in evolution but you cant deny evolution as a concept, as a theory.
Theres just too much evidence to back it up and im no scientist but im sure there is concrete scientific evidence to back it up.