In my opinion the first one is an IT but the second is definately a widebar. Either way very nice fish.sandtiger;869937; said:I have never kept dats but I will suggest you do with them what other people have done. Fatten him up for a few days first on live foods and then try to starve him onto non-live foods. That way you at least know he had a good few meals before you put him under that kind of stress.