Does my Oscar have HITH?

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I did away with feeders entirely because I just dont trust the water conditions that they are bred in. If its frozen, its hard to know what kind of condition the fish was in ahead of time, and I'm not sure what parasites are resistant (if any) to freezing.
 
quit running carbon and do water changes. it is a lack of trace elments that will cause this in some of the south americans. saltwater will get this also is can mostly be treated with garlic, mircle mud, or correcting something within the water chemistry.
 
Oscars are really sensitive to Nitrate. I never had issues with mine that I kept 18 years ago but a year ago I got rid of a Tiger Oscar because he had a HITH appear twice on him. I would suggest adding salt and keeping Nitrates below 20 PPM. Melafix helps the pitting heal up. Water quality is the highest priority for Oscars.
 
Im convinced that not keeping up on my water changes was the cause for me. My Oscar was the only one affected since they are so sensitive

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I am convinced that only soft water fish from SA like oscar, geophagus, discus and angel fish are susceptable to HITH. My hard water cichlids from CA and Africa have never come up with HITH, but in the same tank with the same maintenance and water condition, my geophagus species always stood out and came up with HITH no matter what I do. Frequent water change may delay susceptable fish from catching HITH, but not to prevent it if the water is not right for the fish.
 
I cured mine with a single metronidazole dose and just one vitamin/mineral pyramid. It never came back. LFS trick that actually worked.
 
Ok, so I took a water sample to my LFS this morning and after testing, they said the water was perfect. I bought a HITH 3 day treatment which I'll start after I next do a water change. Also picked up a clove of garlic, any ideas about how I get him to eat this? I've never had success getting him to eat peas so I'm not confident he'll accept the garlic.

Steve
 
HITH is not just caused from poor water quality, or diet deficiencies. Many researchers have also associated it with hexamita/spironucleus.

In the sticky that Tom linked to you'll find where Miles posted about Hexamita being associated with HITH.

2) Hexamita

The internal form of Hexamita are flagellated protozoans found in the gastrointestinal tract of a wide variety of fishes. It is believed that malabsorption of minerals and vitamins from the intestine due to heavy concentrations the Hexamita parasite makes the fish become nutrient deficient. Important Vitamins such as Vitamin B1, Vitamin K, and Vitamin C will all be absorbed by internal parasites before the fish can properly use and distribute them. This leads to severe malnutrition.

That's partially correct, but when hexamita (typically Spironucleus vortens) become systemic they cause far greater damage than just malnourishment, and can eventually cause death in severe cases. Spiro is an intestinal flagellate, which is why Metronidazole is often recommended for treatment. Before you use metro, or any form of LFS medication, here's a MUCH safer, much cheaper, and IME much more effective non medicated approach to clearing up intestinal protozoa.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?339362-Treating-Hexamita-aka-Spironucleus


From the angelfish study linked to in the hex/spiro topic linked to above, near the end of the quote below the author states: The infected fishes showed reddening of the skin, and haemorrhages and ulcerations in the region of the head (Molnár, 1974).


In freshwater fish, Spironucleus sp. has been reported in cichlids, including angelfish, and cyprinids. Spironucleus elegans has been found causing disease in angelfish (Pterophyllum scalare) in Europe (Kulda and Lom, 1964b), while Spironucleus vortens has been also reported from the intestinal lumen of angelfish bred in Florida (Poynton et al., 1995). They can be found in the intestinal tracts of healthy fish and they may invade the body of the host and are capable of causing severe parasitemia under stress conditions (Molnár, 1974).

Hexamita are considered commensal organisms but can be pathogenic under various stressful conditions such as nutritional inadequacies, suboptimal water quality, crowding, poor sanitation and infections from other pathogens or parasites (Specht et al., 1989; Uzmann et al., 1965)

Although Hexamita and Spironucleus cause disease in several economically important fish species in many regions of the world, their pathogenicity is not well known (Woo and Poynton, 1995). It has been believed that the effects and the severity of diplomonad infection are dependent on fish size, tissue site infested, environmental conditions, stocking density, season and stress factors (Allison, 1963; Buchmann and Uldal, 1996; Mo et al., 1990; Uldal and Buchmann, 1996). Fish infected with Hexamita salmonis exhibited clinical signs correlated to their body length and weight (Uldal and Buchmann, 1996). This supports the study of Allison (1963) that large trout, more than 3 or 4 inches long, showed a smaller effect from Hexamita infection than smaller trout.

It is believed that the organisms invade the intestinal epithelium and disseminate to other tissues when the host’s resistance has been suppressed (Woo and Poynton, 1995). It has been suggested that only Spironucleus spp. cause systemic infection because they can invade intestinal mucosa and disseminate to other tissues (Siddall et al., 1992). Evidence of systemic spironucleosis was reported in cyprinids and aquarium fishes (Molnár, 1974), and in salmonids (Mo et al., 1990; Poppe et al., 1992; Sterud et al., 1997).

It has been suggested that only Spironucleus spp. cause systemic infection because they can invade intestinal mucosa and disseminate to other tissues (Siddall et al., 1992). Evidence of systemic spironucleosis was reported in cyprinids and aquarium fishes (Molnár, 1974), and in salmonids (Mo et al., 1990; Poppe et al., 1992; Sterud et al., 1997). In cyprinids, many Spironucleus sp. were found in the gut where they caused reddening of the mucous membrane, brownish-gray discoloration and necrosis of liver, and haemorrhagic enteritis. In aquarium fishes, the parasite has been reported to cause losses in angelfish stock of up to 50% of the population. The infected fishes showed reddening of the skin, and haemorrhages and ulcerations in the region of the head (Molnár, 1974). The parasites were found in the gut, gallbladder and visceral organs. Spironucleus sp. were also found in large numbers in the blood and the muscle of infected fish."


Yes, water quality, especially in SA species can be a stress trigger, excessive stress leads to a lowered immune system which opens the door for protozoa to proliferate to excessive numbers. That's how HITH starts, no matter the trigger.

Having said that, water quality is not always the trigger, as an example read the following past discussion - and that fish (like many others here on MFK) was cured using the info that I supplied in the link above. (3% epsom salt solution)

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?486147-Hoga-With-HITH


Good luck.
 
RD - I picked up some epsom salts today. Is the distilled water essential for the epsom salt treatment or could I just use bolied water? Thanks.

Steve
 
Steve - I have chloramine treated tap water so I opted on distilled water as it's pretty cheap, and I think probably safer than having the fish ingest chloramine. Boiled water cooled off to room temp would be fine.
 
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