Dwarf crenicichla help?

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Hello...

Looking for a little crenicichla help. These were purchased a C. notophthalmus. The males, display elongate, and unattached anterior dorsal spines, as expected....the females seem close, but a bit "off". Dorsal ocelli are black, bit fringed first by a white ring, and then red. Spot on the caudal peduncle, seems quite a bit more visible than my 20 year old books would suggest.

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Looks like notophthalmus.
 

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She kind of doesn't though with the full white ring around the black. Maybe one of the sp. of affin noto's.
 
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Pterophyllum sp

Feeder Fish
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MFK Member
Jan 14, 2020
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50
She kind of doesn't though with the full white ring around the black. Maybe one of the sp. of affin noto's.
Thank you. I suppose that was kind of the point of this post. I've seen similar "noto" females from the Manicore area of the Rio Madeira, but am unsure where the pike folks draw the line between population diagnostics and species diagnostics...
 
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I like to keep them separate until a formal description comes out ... but nobody as far as I know are working on them. So always list them by location the way Westie keepers do just in case the splitters decide they are different species instead of just location differences within the species. The way say convicts have been broken up.
 
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