Ebola round 2

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I don't think we can "get anyone immune." Some folks will have poor immunity. I think that's Darwin in action, and not our choice.
Immunity boosters may help.

There may never be a vaccine, but we may find out new ways to mitigate propagation in short order.

I do think the world has changed in many ways. Unfortunately greed still rules.
 
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I don't think we can "get anyone immune." Some folks will have poor immunity. I think that's Darwin in action, and not our choice.
Immunity boosters may help.

Thats what I am getting at. They say we need 75% of us had to been infected to get to herd immunity.
It cost us 80,000 to get to where we are now. And we don't really know how many of us have been infected yet due to the testing snafu.
Are we at 10% or 25% of us have been infected. If it's 25% range so around 240k dead to get to herd immunity. What if its only 10%. 600k of us die to get there....
But it's still not gone, just so few of us left to infect it forces the spreed to slow down...
 
Thats what I am getting at. They say we need 75% of us had to been infected to get to herd immunity.
It cost us 80,000 to get to where we are now. And we don't really know how many of us have been infected yet due to the testing snafu.
Are we at 10% or 25% of us have been infected. If it's 25% range so around 240k dead to get to herd immunity. What if its only 10%. 600k of us die to get there....
But it's still not gone, just so few of us left to infect it forces the spreed to slow down...
Hello; You are spot on in critical ways. There is now talk of second or third waves with some unrealistic hopes these waves can be prevented. To a degree a portion of the population might be able to shelter in place for a long term. I am in such a population since I live alone and am retired. It is possible for me to venture out only rarely for food and such necessities. There is a big if for this sort of plan. But if I do manage to avoid the virus there is a chance I might never get the virus. After some time as the virus spreads among the rest of the population there can be a herd immunity and my odds of being exposed will go way down. Yes someone like me might hide away for a long time. A question then becomes how many are in a setup like mine and can have the place and money to hide long term?

Truth is I have some chance of being exposed several times a week. I get mail in my mailbox. I treat the mail like it is contaminated. Mainly I leave it out in the sun for a few hours when possible. If it is not mail I need to deal with right away, I leave it to lay around a few days. I also take steps with my groceries to reduce risk. I may reduce the risk some but cannot eliminate all risk.

There is also the fact we all had a chance to be exposed before the shutdowns and shelter in place rules started. It seems the virus was out and about in much of the world for several weeks before we started wearing masks and sheltering in place. I am slightly suspicious I may have had a mild case of the civid19 around early Feb. Just wishful hoping until a decent antibody test is available.

(Side note - There are apparently several antibody tests around now. Problem is some give either too many false positives or false negatives. False negatives being better that false positives I guess. I liken these tests to the tests we use in our aquariums. Some use the test strips but do not trust them. Many trust the master test kits. I hope to get an antibody test near the level of trust of a master test kit. )

Sorry, I digress. Baring a game chancer such as vaccine or some other effective medical treatment there is not yet a plausible end to the pandemic other than herd immunity. I do hope a game changer comes along but until then I fully expect to be infected at some point. Being old my odds are reduced for survival but still pretty decent. Those of you who are younger have even better odds of survival. Over all so far I think well over 90% survival rate. Maybe, I suspect, could be over 99% survival after all the counts are done.
What is my point? It is baring a game changer the virus will work it's way thru the population. An important milestone is already achieved in that the "curve is flattened" and we who become infected now have a bed and such medical equipment we might need. From the start I always expected the virus to work it's way thru the populations. The so called second and third waves are to be expected.

Sorry for the redundant comments.
 
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To a degree a portion of the population might be able to shelter in place for a long term. I am in such a population since I live alone and am retired
Hello; An unsupported thought. I saw how some 60% of new cases in NYC happened in people actually staying home. This seems wrong but came out as the numbers were crunched. I have at least one and maybe two notions. The main notion as to how someone hiding at home can be infected is from shared ventilation. After I retired from teaching in KY I took a few short term positions due to a shortage of Biology teachers back around 2000. I rented a room in an apartment building to stay in during the week and drove to my home on weekends. I noticed right away that the air from other apartments could get into mine. I do not smoke but someone next to me did and the smell was strong sometimes. I found a vent in the back of a closet where the offensive smell came from. My question is were some of those 60% in apartment buildings with shared ventilation?
My apologies to any of you reading this who live in apartment buildings. I guess this theory also depends on the virus being fairly aerosol.
 
I am of the mindset that we laypeople aren't really in a position to make the call, and that we should defer to the experts.
Hello; Consider that the following comments follow a long history of having to deal with "experts" in the realm of public schools. Those experts called the shots based on their expertiese (sp) but were often so very wrong. Not that the current medical experts are wrong so much, more that they have demonstrated a level of tunnel vision in some areas and have lost the confidence of the population in a few cases.
The early debacle over respirator masks is perhaps the better example of how they fumbled and lost credibility. Early on they told us that we mere citizens did not need to wear a mask. ( Note- I understood the real story. There simply were not enough masks to go around for all the medical folks at the time. Just not any extra for you and me.) So they made a clearly bogus statement that we did not need a mask. Now we are required to wear a mask. Another example could be all the bad numbers coming from the computer models.

The tunnel vision part has, in my opinion, been about how they continue to hang onto the lockdowns, shelter in place and other restrictions seemingly without giving the equally bad or likely worse effects of these lockdowns compared to the virus. At first I gave them the benefit of the doubt as it was not yet understood how bad the virus might be. However it seems now that the virus is not as deadly as feared , yet the crippling lockdowns continue. My brother calls it a CYA position.
They made a call and influenced our leaders to do these restrictions. Those calls may have been made in good faith at the time but the "experts" continue to hang on beyond necessity. As I type this There is a senate hearing on TV featuring Dr. Fauchi among others. I am hearing some of the same sorts of talk.

Can I clearly support my take on this topic with some sort of absolute evidence? No, I do not have a crystal ball. Am I an expert in virology or even infectious disease? No, I have a biology degree with only experience teaching biology at the high school level. I may only know enough to be dangerous and thus try to make my flaws known. I do however question how these experts have been dealing with this pandemic so far. Should my opinions have flaws I welcome a civil discussion. Right now I think the experts have dropped the ball a few times.
 
Realities to consider...

Big Pharma reaches across all borders, and they are in business.
Every nation where they operate is coopted in the pharm business and vice versa.
Pharm is coopted into govt biz.

All major news will be driven a lot by money from this union.
As Pharm buys big ads, the cost being rolled into the drugs they sell.
Associated pharm stuff too, as evidenced by this AM's "feed".

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Oh goodie...another marketing ploy.

Also, anybody who thinks to see me wearing such nonsense (and that look of anxious concern) is nuts.
 
I think that dropping the ball is to be expected when dealing with a virus that no one in the world could accurately predict, much of anything about. The same regarding masks, it seemed clear to those who are informed, and around when SARS was taking place, that masks are an important tool in preventing the spread of another SARS like virus. Doh! Yet at the same time I think a given that when masks aren’t available to the masses, it would only create panic amongst those same masses, if world leaders stated masks are important, but you can’t have one.
 
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Am I an expert in virology or even infectious disease? No, I have a biology degree with only experience teaching biology at the high school level. I may only know enough to be dangerous and thus try to make my flaws known. I do however question how these experts have been dealing with this pandemic so far. Should my opinions have flaws I welcome a civil discussion. Right now I think the experts have dropped the ball a few times.

Hey!!! I got a degree in biology 48 years ago...a BA degree. I don't how that was even possible...I thought biology was a science. I might add that it was a totally useless degree except for enabling me to get other degrees.
 
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I believe politicization of the pandemic is the biggest problem.
Way back at the end of 2019 politicians were warned, but poo poo-ed the warnings because those warnings did not meet their political ideology, or their general distrust in science, so didn't act accordingly.

What I see as an even more troubling future (beyond the 2nd wave), is that, not only are the lungs effected, but in those that have lived thru the first impact of the disease, there are lingering after effects on organs like the kidneys, and others. In those patients considered past the original stage of the disease, kidneys may have been so compromised by the disease that continuous dialysis may be required.
 
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