educate me. setting up a sump

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
Setting up a sump IS easy. You just need to have a high level design in mind and deal with the minor details as they come up.
1. How much flow tells you what size pumps to buy. You want enough flow to turn the tank volume over 8-10 times per hour. Some say 6-8 times per hour. Let's just say 10 times because that's easy. So you'd need a pump or two that will get you 4500 Gallons per hour.
2. Your sump tank should be 20% or more of your tank volume. For a 450 gallon tank, just go with a 100-125 gallon sump.
3. Drop your pumps into your sump, run PVC pipe (or hose, or flex pvc) into the top of the tank.
4. Drain lines--quiet or not? If you want them quiet, run a herbie setup. If you don't care, don't.
5. Mech filtration -- Let your drains drop water into filter socks. Easiest thing to do. If you want to get fancy, you can do wet/dry, or bio balls. Filter socks are pretty easy, though
6. Bio-filtration -- Just get some laundry bags, put some Pond Matrix in them, and drop 'em in the sump. Leave 'em in there. Never let them dry out.

That's it. You have a highly effective sump, easy to clean cause you just swap out filter socks every couple weeks. There's nothing in the sump but some submersible pumps and some bags of Pond Matrix. The hardest part is gluing PVC pipe. This set up will work great if you have fish, even big fish, even too many fish. You might need to do a little more than this if you have a bunch of stingrays, but maybe not.

If you want to get really elite, get a chloramine filter and drip 40-60 Gallons per Day into your sump. Now you don't have to do water changes anymore. You just change filter socks and vacuum solids. About as easy as it gets.
 
thanks for all the input. I just ordered my unions. Hope to have this tank running Sunday. we shall see
 
Setting up a sump IS easy. You just need to have a high level design in mind and deal with the minor details as they come up.
1. How much flow tells you what size pumps to buy. You want enough flow to turn the tank volume over 8-10 times per hour. Some say 6-8 times per hour. Let's just say 10 times because that's easy. So you'd need a pump or two that will get you 4500 Gallons per hour.
2. Your sump tank should be 20% or more of your tank volume. For a 450 gallon tank, just go with a 100-125 gallon sump.
3. Drop your pumps into your sump, run PVC pipe (or hose, or flex pvc) into the top of the tank.
4. Drain lines--quiet or not? If you want them quiet, run a herbie setup. If you don't care, don't.
5. Mech filtration -- Let your drains drop water into filter socks. Easiest thing to do. If you want to get fancy, you can do wet/dry, or bio balls. Filter socks are pretty easy, though
6. Bio-filtration -- Just get some laundry bags, put some Pond Matrix in them, and drop 'em in the sump. Leave 'em in there. Never let them dry out.

That's it. You have a highly effective sump, easy to clean cause you just swap out filter socks every couple weeks. There's nothing in the sump but some submersible pumps and some bags of Pond Matrix. The hardest part is gluing PVC pipe. This set up will work great if you have fish, even big fish, even too many fish. You might need to do a little more than this if you have a bunch of stingrays, but maybe not.

If you want to get really elite, get a chloramine filter and drip 40-60 Gallons per Day into your sump. Now you don't have to do water changes anymore. You just change filter socks and vacuum solids. About as easy as it gets.

Nice! Thanks for the DIY info. I hope to get one of these going someday.
 
so I filled the tank up and ran it today. Leaks from both bulk heads and where I attached the pump to the tubing. I am going to let my buddy take it apart and put it together for me. This was a fail
 
Fail? Nah man. Learning experience. I'll get you online Friday.


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Can't see by the pic....
Are your bulkhead gaskets (rubber rings) on the inside (with water) or the outside (dry)?
It is often times less likely to leak if the rubber gaskets are on the inside of tank (wet).
Also, are the gaskets new, or used?
Old gaskets often get dry rot and crack, which would let them leak.
Always best to replace old gaskets with new.
 
The bulkheads will work either way but the gasket has to be on the flange side, not the nut side or it will leak through the threads.

Get them as tight as you can. Make sure everything is 100% dry.

If that doesn't work, try smearing some silicone grease on the gasket.

If that doesn't work, buy a new gasket.

If it's a very small pin hole leak, it may resolve it self on its own. I've had this happen a few times. Put something under it to catch the water and in a few days it should stop.

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