Emaciated fish... Hopeless or will it fill back out?

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Stuginski said:
Hi guys.


Sadly we don't have API General Cure here in Brazil. I can't say nothing about the effectiveness of this product....but I was reading at the API site and there is none prazi in its formulation, just:


sodium chloride
metronidazole
trichlorfon
silica amorphous, fumed, crystalline free
copper sulfate


I really like prazi because it's safe and effective. I really don't like to put any copper in my Dt because the potential problem with biofilter (cooper can affect some bacs, I'm not saying that it kill than all, but it causes some effects). I don't know the concentration of copper of this product and I don't know if it's ok to use in Dt. Probably I will prefer to do it in a Qt. Copper is very usefull to knuck some protozoans and other infective agents! By the way...some fishes (at least saltwater fishes) are very sensives to copper.
I never used Trichlorfon with fishes, just with snakes as baths to knock out external parasites, it's pretty effective in this animals. It's a organphosphorate with a good effective against some pests too. But take care because it's carcinogenic! Of course that it isn't a rapid contact that will cause cancer but we have to paid attention to this fact.


Good luck...keep us informed!


Apologies for my terrible english


Hails


D.
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I believe the msds is actually breaking down the base combined parts of prazi.

The manufacturer states on the packaging that API general cure contains Active Ingredients:250 mg Metronidazole and 75 mg Praziquantel per packet.

I've actually got an email into them about this I'm curious to see what they say.

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Stuginski said:
Hi Aquatic...Hoe are you?

I was looking here: http://www.apifishcare.com/product.php?p=downloads&id=635 in documents & MSDS download...:confused:

Hails from Brazil

D.
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I'm doing great and yourself. I've seen the msds. But I've asked API about it and they do state the only active ingredients are metro and prazi. I believe if prazi is broken down to its bare information that what the msds list is that. I'm going to message them tonight for clarification on that as the actual package of the treatment says metro/prazi are the active ingredients like I posted above in the measurements they list.

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As long as this condition is not associated with disease they can bounce back...... repost when they gain some weight.. it will be interesting to see them recover.......best of luck
 
Hi aquatic...I don´t know if I understood what do you said here: " I believe if prazi is broken down to its bare information that what the msds list is that". (Sorry man, english it isn't my "mother language" and sometimes I can't understand really simple phrases...it's a shame I know)


but...I'm pretty sure that praziquantel can´t be transformed in those molecules after break down.


I'm very interested in API's reply! Let see what they say about this!!! :-)


Thank you and again...sorry if I misunderstood you.


Hails from Brazil


D.
 
Stuginski said:
Hi aquatic...I don´t know if I understood what do you said here: " I believe if prazi is broken down to its bare information that what the msds list is that". (Sorry man, english it isn't my "mother language" and sometimes I can't understand really simple phrases...it's a shame I know)


but...I'm pretty sure that praziquantel can´t be transformed in those molecules after break down.


I'm very interested in API's reply! Let see what they say about this!!! :-)


Thank you and again...sorry if I misunderstood you.


Hails from Brazil


D.
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OK..... Finally got a response back from API/MARS on this issue. They have corrected the issue on the MSDS. Here is the email response I received.

hopefully this clears everything up and its now known that API general cure does indeed have Metro and Prazi.



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Hello, Conway -

Actually, your email pointed out an error that had gone unnoticed - so first of all, thank you. The MSDS you saw was for the old formula. It was changed quite a few years ago, but for some reason the old MSDS was still being used, despite the fact that there is a new one. As of a few minutes ago, the actual current MSDS for GC was located and it has replaced the outdated one you saw. If you click on the link now you will see the proper MSDS, which should answer all your questions.

Thanks and best regards,

Dave Schaeffer
TECHNICAL SERVICES
Mars Fishcare

50 EAST HAMILTON ST
CHALFONT, PA 19814-0218
E+ dschaeffer@aquariumpharm.com


here is the link to the MSDS for the general cure product.

http://www.apifishcare.com/pdf/General_Cure_Powder_Medication_ChemWatch_MSDS_4658-74_US_Eng.pdf
 
Aquaticfan said:
OK..... Finally got a response back from API/MARS on this issue. They have corrected the issue on the MSDS. Here is the email response I received.

hopefully this clears everything up and its now known that API general cure does indeed have Metro and Prazi.



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Hello, Conway -

Actually, your email pointed out an error that had gone unnoticed - so first of all, thank you. The MSDS you saw was for the old formula. It was changed quite a few years ago, but for some reason the old MSDS was still being used, despite the fact that there is a new one. As of a few minutes ago, the actual current MSDS for GC was located and it has replaced the outdated one you saw. If you click on the link now you will see the proper MSDS, which should answer all your questions.

Thanks and best regards,

Dave Schaeffer
TECHNICAL SERVICES
Mars Fishcare

50 EAST HAMILTON ST
CHALFONT, PA 19814-0218
E+ dschaeffer@aquariumpharm.com


here is the link to the MSDS for the general cure product.

http://www.apifishcare.com/pdf/General_Cure_Powder_Medication_ChemWatch_MSDS_4658-74_US_Eng.pdf
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Thank you aquatic! :thumbsup:

D.
 
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