Euthanize and bleach the tank or keep trying?

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kdrun76

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This is going to be a long post. I apologize. I am no beginner at this and don't get stumped often.... but sometimes even the experts need to seek help.


70 gallon tank
set up 3 years, No new fish since initial set up.
no heater, on an unheated porch, no light beyond sunlight, tank gets ice on it in the winter and warms up to 70ish in the summer. Current temp is 58 F.
amm: 0; nitrite: 0; nitrate: 7ppm; pH:7.2, KH 4egrees; GH 5 degrees
Weekly 50% water changes (yes I use dechlorinator: API tap water conditioner)
Diet: Mostly gold fish pellets from "Almost natural Food", but also some of about 10 other things

Inhabitants:
1 comet (lived 5 years in a 20 gallon heated tank before I got ahold of it, badly stunted.)
1 Shebunkin
1 black moore

The comet is male the other two are female. They have spawned both this year and last. Eggs removed immediately.


About a year ago I noticed a fungal (or at least what looked like a fungal) infection that was timed with my setting up a QT tank else where in the house. I presumed I had mixed a net or algae sponge between the tanks. I saw no sign of problems in the QT tank, but the goldfish suddenly had furry patches. I treated with salt and the problem went away.

In addition to the problem going away, two fish lost body parts! The black more lost an entire lobe of its tail fin and the comet lost its bottom jaw in its entirety!!!! The comet has been gross to look at but seems to be largely unaffected by this. He went into full breeding mode this spring and spawned just as one would expect him to. I honestly don't understand how it eats, but it does.

Two weeks later, also timed with my setting up a QT tank, only I didn't mix anything this time..... the furries are back. Its been a full year with them gone. The comet's lower "stump" is again fuzzy and the black moore has huge patches of fuzz on his sides. 24 hours later the shebunkin has red circles and patches of skin falling off.

Salted the tank (1 tsp/ gallon) added pimafix and melafix and switched the fish to an antibiotic food. Started daily water changes dosing with pimafix, melafix and salt... 3 days later the shebunkin was nearly with out skin and laying on the bottom. I euthanized it. The moore has big holes on each side.

For 10 days I added the pimafix and melafix. No changes. This did not get better or worse. The two remaining fish have good appetites and are rather active. I considered euthanization and bleach as I have 6 other tanks in the house with over 100 other fish. I don't want to risk this spreading!

But I couldn't do it. Another massive water change, and switched to penicillin. For 10 days I treated with penicillin. Still no changes. No worse and no better.

I have over 100 other fish in this house. I cannot let this spread.

I have pictures, but they are of rather poor quality and quite frankly they are disturbing. Out of focus and such...

Where do I go from here?
 
As soon as they evolve the neurological capacity for pain.... they will be in pain.

Until then....
 
Sneddon published a study proposing that fish -- specifically rainbow trout -- can detect and feel pain. Previous research on whether fish feel pain focused solely on cartilaginous species like sharks. For the first time, Sneddon's work documented potential pain sensations in teleostic (bony) fish.
­More precisely, Sneddon discovered the presen­ce of 58 pain receptors called nociceptors along the trout's lips. She did so by testing the effects of bee venom and acetic acid injections into the mouth area. The affected fish exhibited "anomalous behavior," such as rubbing their noses into gravel and shaking their bodies [source: Sneddon]. Since morphine appeared to ease the discomfort, Sneddon concluded that the trout's reactions weren't simply reflexive but genuine displays of pain response.
 
"on an unheated porch" Would outdoor insects have access to the tank in any way? Ants, flies, skeeters, spiders, etc. The pathogen could be brought in from any where. Sound like either bacterial or fungal maybe both. You are unlikely to find them in the tank as the fish will quickly eat them.

About a year ago would mean spring so more insect activity.
 
No its fully enclosed and insulated, just not heated. Screens on the windows and all that. Its more of a "sun room" than a porch. But good thought. Keep trying.


I am thinking it must be viral. Antibiotics and anti fungals aren't helping. Herpes? or some form of leparsy? The flesh is getting eaten.
 
kdrun76;4151246; said:
As soon as they evolve the neurological capacity for pain.... they will be in pain.

Until then....

Fish have a central nervous system and pain receptors. Of course they can feel pain. They just express it differently.
 
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