Euthanize and bleach the tank or keep trying?
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I can't rule it out. But the pictures simply don't match what I am seeing.
This is the "jawless comet"
This is the shebunkin. Its in a container on the kitchen table and the table cloth makes it hard to see what you are looking at. Its a white fish, there should be no red or pink... the red and pink is muscle tissue where the skin is simply not there.
This is the black moore, first a side shot and then a top down shot.
Its hard to see what you are looking at in this one. The moore is next to the intake of an Emperor 400, with a piece of drift wood at the bottom of the picture. The yellow blob at the top of the fish is protruding wider than its eye balls, the white blob on the bottom side is just a hole in its flank.
Reminder, the shebunkin is euthanized (May 6th) and the comet has been with out a jaw now for about 14 months. The moore has looked like this with no change either better or worse for at least 3 weeks.
This is the "jawless comet"
This is the shebunkin. Its in a container on the kitchen table and the table cloth makes it hard to see what you are looking at. Its a white fish, there should be no red or pink... the red and pink is muscle tissue where the skin is simply not there.
This is the black moore, first a side shot and then a top down shot.
Its hard to see what you are looking at in this one. The moore is next to the intake of an Emperor 400, with a piece of drift wood at the bottom of the picture. The yellow blob at the top of the fish is protruding wider than its eye balls, the white blob on the bottom side is just a hole in its flank.
Reminder, the shebunkin is euthanized (May 6th) and the comet has been with out a jaw now for about 14 months. The moore has looked like this with no change either better or worse for at least 3 weeks.
cut back on the size of the water changes, at a 7 ppm nitrate you can allow the water to age. the fish are most likely being really crazy stress with the large water changes each week. it would be better to do 1/3 or 10% water changes then the 50%.
dr_sudz;4151650; said:
I would love to hear some better logic behind that. Every tank in the house gets 50% a week. That is the recommendation of every professional fish keeper out there. Fresh water fish love fresh water. Allowing the nitrates and DOC's to rise helps how?
Knowing how badly I don't want to put these fish down, my husband has suggested I put them into an empty glass box. A completly bare tank with nothing but them and water.
Bleach their old tank to kill anything that is in it. Give them as many water changes as needed to allow them to exist for a while in an unfiltered tank. Daily 75% if needed. Add any meds I fee appropriate (although I don't know what else to try).
That would kill what ever is in the tank, and maybe allow the fish one more chance to beat this. They are both quite active and act like nothing is wrong.
What does anyone think of this plan?
I can pull a spare filter off another tank so that they can go back into a cycled tank when they are ready.
Bleach their old tank to kill anything that is in it. Give them as many water changes as needed to allow them to exist for a while in an unfiltered tank. Daily 75% if needed. Add any meds I fee appropriate (although I don't know what else to try).
That would kill what ever is in the tank, and maybe allow the fish one more chance to beat this. They are both quite active and act like nothing is wrong.
What does anyone think of this plan?
I can pull a spare filter off another tank so that they can go back into a cycled tank when they are ready.
Looks like ulcers. I've gotten body ulcers on my koi before.
Ulcers are body wounds that become infected. Usually due to water issues and stress.
Your fish are in the advanced stages of the infection (shibukin), but for future reference you can use Potassium Permangenate (can get at Lowes) to treat ulcers and kill the bacteria to allow the wound to heal. (wear gloves when applying as PP is a carcinogen).
The "fuzzy" growth is probably bacteria columnaris infection. Like the ulcers, they originate from body wounds that become infected (body ulcers can also become infected with columnaris).
Sorry for your loses.
BTW: I doubt it's fish TB. Sounds like it's a reoccuring problem (ulcers are also reoccuring). Unless your showing lesions on your hands/arms (fish TB CAN spread to humans) then it's probably not fish TB.
http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/articles/mycobacteriosis.html
Ulcers are body wounds that become infected. Usually due to water issues and stress.
Your fish are in the advanced stages of the infection (shibukin), but for future reference you can use Potassium Permangenate (can get at Lowes) to treat ulcers and kill the bacteria to allow the wound to heal. (wear gloves when applying as PP is a carcinogen).
The "fuzzy" growth is probably bacteria columnaris infection. Like the ulcers, they originate from body wounds that become infected (body ulcers can also become infected with columnaris).
Sorry for your loses.
BTW: I doubt it's fish TB. Sounds like it's a reoccuring problem (ulcers are also reoccuring). Unless your showing lesions on your hands/arms (fish TB CAN spread to humans) then it's probably not fish TB.
http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/articles/mycobacteriosis.html
alexmuw;4154795; said:
I agree that the moore looks like body ulcers. The shebunkin I pegged for ceptecemia, but never saw that get so advanced so fast. The comet just stumps me. The entire jaw gone in less than a week.
What sort of "water issues" are you thinking of? I had 3 fish 3" long in 70 gallons of water that was changed regularly? Filters are well maintained, gravel vacuumed, planted as best as one can with goldfish etc...
