External Sump pump with out drilling?

[zebvance]

External Sump pump with out drilling? Is it possible? I am going to start building a sump soon for my 240. The sump is going to be 45 gallons. I want about 1200 gph running through it. Now, I have been looking a submersible pumps, But i might have access to turbo sea external pump for cheap. Is there a way to pump it with out having to drill the tank? If any one has done this post some pics. It would help a lot.


To clear up and confusion*

I am talking about my return pump from the sump to the tank.

 

[Bazinga]

you can do the HOB style where you just create a siphon to the sump and a few of thos will get you to the gph you want

 

[zebvance]

ya I know that. But im talking about the return pump coming from the sump. Guess I should of explained that huh?

 

[xdragonxb0i]

just use an submersiale pump. no need to drill the sump.

 

[Bazinga]

just use an submersiale pump. no need to drill the sump.

+1

 

[zebvance]

I know that but I might be able to get a turbo sea high pressure 1744 gph pump for super cheap from a buddy. thats why im trying to fig out if there is a way i can use it.

 

[KaiserSousay]

You sure you are up to doing a sump build?
I mean, rigging an external pump into a vessel of liquid is not a complex exercise.
Sumps are pretty simple, but not if you don`t have some basic understanding of how you can safely move liquid out of a tank, into a container, and then back into the tank..maybe a sump is not for you yet.
Do not get me wrong, not saying you are any less for not knowing this.
But, before you jump in the water, knowing how to swim is a big plus.
Take a look at how a HOB overflow works and see if that doesn’t ring any bells for you. Even the workings of a PVC overflow should give you an idea of how to get that pump working without drilling.

 

[zebvance]

I understand that. I am already looking at a CPR overflow box. I understand how the whole system works. I know that with that pump it will be pushing around 1200 gph at a 5 foot head, I also know that I need a over flow box that runs about mim of 1300 gph, And even that is pushing to safe for comfort. But i don't want to get much over 1500 or i could get the "gargling" effect from to much air in the system. And this is not going to be my only source of filtration. I am also going to have a fx5 on the tank. I know its is not as easy as plug it in and its good to go, and i know to expect a trial and error time and be ready with a mom and a bucket. However I do have a good understanding of what I am doing and I get how the system works. I am a engineer major and my father is helping with this build and he is also a engineer, so I think we know what we are getting ourselves into.

 

[Conner]

I'm just curious why you're so keen on NOT drilling the sump? As long as its not tempered glass, it shouldn't be too difficult. A diamond drill bit and bulkhead shouldn't cost you more than $25 (maybe more with shipping), and shouldn't be too difficult to drill a hole in the sump, as it will probably be 1/4" glass or thinner.

 

[zebvance]

Good Question. They way i Designed the stand, The sump is going to be on a pull out platform. Its kinda hard to understand without a pic. But there will be a door on the side of the stand and once you open up the door there will be the sump on a drawer that pulls out on ball bearing guild rails. This is so it is easy access to maintain and change media, or whatever. I am also if you wondering aware that the sump full of water will weigh up to 400 pounds. The drawer is going to be mounted on 4 heavy duty 150 pound rated rails., and supported so that the drawer fully extended will be able to support the weight. Hope that was clear. Oh, also the overflow lines that are going to be feeding water in to the sump will be hardlined and built into the stand. The pipes will be supported to the top of the inside of the stand hanging over the sump while it is indide the sump. So it will have ball valves on the plumbing so that when i need to pull the sump out I can turn off the flow into the sump and pull it out with out spilling. and the return pump to the sump will be on some kind of quick disconnect. Of course I can plan that out until I fig out my pump issue. I wish i could show you the plans for the stand in prgress so that you could get a better understanding. Me and my dad designed it all on auto cad and the files are on my dad comp. So i don't have access to them right now.