I bought a custom 180 gallon acrylic aquarium and was going to do saltwater but realized it would cost alot to buy all the right equipment. I have keep fancy goldfish before and was thinking of using the 180 gallon aquarium for fancy goldfish. My questions are, do they prefer fine or coarse gravel bottom, live Jungle Vallisneria or plastic plants, what is most fancy goldfish max size and do pleco's pose a problem with scratching the acrylic if I use them in the fancy goldfish
Fancy Goldfish
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You're better off with larger gravel for Goldfish. They will eat just about any plant, so you would probably want to go with plastic plants. Depending on the type, 5"-8" seems to be the average size. Any Panque species have small rasping teeth that will cause scratches over time, but another problem is that Plecos can possibly start sucking on the slime coats of the Goldfish.
Also plecos are tropical fish and goldfish are coldwater. It can be done but I have seen promblems such as ick and the like when mixing tropical with coldwater species.
Bristlenose are fine with goldfish. They are great in room temp and will not suck on the goldfish.
The best substrate is sand. They LOVE to sift through it, all day. This is a very natural behavior that takes up a significant amount of their time and should not be denied from them. It is natural, very clean, and looks great.
Live plants love goldfish water and goldfish do great with live plants (with the proper diet they won't destroy them all).
Most fancies' bodies will max out at about fist size.
I wrote a couple articles on goldfish, one about their care in general and one about all the myths about their care (like how they are 'coldwater', can't be with plants, can't be in tropical temps, salt, etc.). If you want a link to them just PM me.
The best substrate is sand. They LOVE to sift through it, all day. This is a very natural behavior that takes up a significant amount of their time and should not be denied from them. It is natural, very clean, and looks great.
Live plants love goldfish water and goldfish do great with live plants (with the proper diet they won't destroy them all).
Most fancies' bodies will max out at about fist size.
I wrote a couple articles on goldfish, one about their care in general and one about all the myths about their care (like how they are 'coldwater', can't be with plants, can't be in tropical temps, salt, etc.). If you want a link to them just PM me.
Larger size substrates will just traps MASSIVE amounts of waste, a good way to drop water quality like a rock and create more work (vacuuming every week).
If they are eating most live plants they are probably missing something from their diet. With a high quality food they will get everything they need and will not have cravings for plants (most of the time).
If they are eating most live plants they are probably missing something from their diet. With a high quality food they will get everything they need and will not have cravings for plants (most of the time).
Goldfish are Herbivores. No matter what or how much you are feeding them, they will go after plants. If you want your plants to look nice all the time, you're better off with fake.
Gravel or Sand, it doesn't really matter. I prefer Gravel with Goldfish because they are such messy fish. They sift through the sand and bury detritus and I used to sift through the sand anyways to release any trapped gases and buried debris. So I might as well just have gravel and gravel vac it once a week.
Gravel or Sand, it doesn't really matter. I prefer Gravel with Goldfish because they are such messy fish. They sift through the sand and bury detritus and I used to sift through the sand anyways to release any trapped gases and buried debris. So I might as well just have gravel and gravel vac it once a week.
I'm not doubting you, but you said it yourself...
So they will still go after plants. I was saying that if he's expecting his plants to look perfect, it's not going to happen with Herbivores. When it comes to this hobby, I don't doubt anything as there are always exceptions. Some people have been able to keep a Midas with Platys, Bichirs and Plecos, African and SA Cichlids, etc. Some people are just lucky.
reptileguy2727;5100413; said:
So they will still go after plants. I was saying that if he's expecting his plants to look perfect, it's not going to happen with Herbivores. When it comes to this hobby, I don't doubt anything as there are always exceptions. Some people have been able to keep a Midas with Platys, Bichirs and Plecos, African and SA Cichlids, etc. Some people are just lucky.
Fine gravel or sand imo has always been prefered.. as noted larger gravel has a tendancy to trap debris. and can also get stuck in a fishes mouth/throat, as goldfish are constantly sifting. My goldy leave my wendetii and other large leaf type plants alone. I think you'de be fine with low-light loveing plants. maybe some anubus on driftwood would be ideal. alot of peopel tend to overstock goldfish tanks/ponds ect.. imo a min of 20gallons per fish acceptable. but realistically I think closer to 40 is more manageable particualrly if you don't want to be doing large water changes all the time. Fantail/fancys in general ime can get quite large if properly maintained. I had a panda oranda years ago that got approx 12" and was "snug" in my 40breeder.
As for algae eaters.. get some if you liek them.. but don't get a pleco just to eat algae. get one because you want it. and Acrylic and plecos in general are usually a poor mix. they will scratch the tank. how bad is dependent on alot of things.
As for algae eaters.. get some if you liek them.. but don't get a pleco just to eat algae. get one because you want it. and Acrylic and plecos in general are usually a poor mix. they will scratch the tank. how bad is dependent on alot of things.