favorite M heckelii had fast death, no explanation

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I'm bummed out :-(
Late last night, straight out of the blue, my male heckelii "Bubba" just started dying!
He was our favorite display & personality fish in the Geo tank. he was the Boss, but pure gentleman. Just had Class & so much character, plus he sparkled with all that heckelii beauty.
In a couple hrs, he went from swimming around looking fine and eating normal, to sitting under wood with some fins darkening like he was already shutting down. breathing was kinda labored. I roused him from there using water flow. he could swim well but then would settle down & tilt slightly to one side against wood for props. at first I suspected a piece of krill stuck in throat after stealing from the BGK (he always did that). but I never saw any.

It was sad, "Missus Bubba" and the male severum both kept going over to him when he would tilt & show weakness, nudging him gently with their noses, and get him moving better. the male severum kept chasing nippy young geos away from Bubba (they started going at his tail), then returned to his side & nudged him. :cry:
I put him in a roomy netted box at surface, down stream from agitated water, hoping it was a passing crisis. I even held him so water flowed in his gills part of the time. Well it wasn't passing so he just lasted a bit longer in there.
I've never had one die fast and NO sign of why. I was here all day/night with everything normal. Nary a sign of impending doom.
When I removed him, Mrs Bubba took off swimming real fast looking around the tank, like "What the...???!"
:-/ they always swam as a twosome.

If anyone knows of bigger than the 'usual 4-sale size' male heckelii I could buy, plz PM me.
He's already missed, and that tank just isn't the same.
He used to stick his head above water to take food from my fingers, and swim around brushing against my hand under water nibbling me.
 
^ that absolutely sucks to hear... unfortunately i have no input towards your situation since all your other fish seem fine...
 
Thanks Homer. must've just shut down internally. My last chore of the night was usual distraction maneuver games to get the BGK fed with Bubba working me.
tankmates fine. normal waterchange the day before.
It's amazing how one individual can make so much difference in a tank :-/
 
^ I hear ya... i couldn't imagine my 200G without my Fahaka in there... i know slightly different situation, but when you have that one wet pet, it really does make a world of difference...

I'm guessing chances of it being IP's would be highly unlikely?
 
^ I hear ya... i couldn't imagine my 200G without my Fahaka in there... i know slightly different situation, but when you have that one wet pet, it really does make a world of difference...

I'm guessing chances of it being IP's would be highly unlikely?
I'm careful about not putting anything new/unknown in that 180G. Sure don't want to medicate the volume of water, it's my largest tank. don't know how IPs could be a factor. all fish healthy, hungry, poop normal- even him until death.
but just for education, is there any IP that shows zero signs/symptoms & kill within hours? I'll be first to admit not having much experience with that stuff.
Actually felt so sure it was unexplainable sudden death, that's why I posted in Gen Aq instead of FW Diseases.
I never underestimate human error (stupidity) & Murphy's Law though.

This fish did have a slight crookedness to one side of his mouth. Not much, within his overall beauty & presence. no one but me ever noticed it, he was so pretty. never intended to breed him, only got a female to watch their development together. Rapps told me they're late breeders, so I figured there was room to split them. Maybe I was wrong to overlook the flaw, perhaps a weakness was inside.
He was very robust though.?
 
Maybe he had a stroke?
 
'heyGrannie', I know it won't really lessen the pain but IME 'heckelii' are prone to just this sort of thing. Any sort of stress (we as an observer may not even pick up on it) can put them in this situation. I have lost several large 'heckelii' in a variety of different ways... all bizarre and all different. Here are two examples and it happened with fully mature, healthy specimens. The first was when one of my large males tried to eat a Corydoras. Needless to say it got stuck in his mouth. I left him for a while to see if he could 'clear' the obstruction, either by swallowing it or expelling it. It wasn't very large so I thought either could happen. Well he couldn't get it out and it was interefering with his breathing, so I gently caught him in a net (he seemed to know that I was going to help) and held him in my hand. Then using a pair of needle nose pliers and pulling slowly and gently, removed the catfish. No damage to the 'heckelii' was apparent and it took only a few seconds. When I released him back into the tank, I noticed that he had stopped breathing and was turning dark. I gently rocked him 'back and forth' to try to get oxygen passing over his gills. Despite my efforts he didn't revive. The second instance was when I was transferring another large male from one aquarium to another. He was in a tank that was near the floor. I had netted him but just as I moved the net out of the tank, he jumped out and hit the floor. The fall was only about a foot so I didn't think that there would be any negative consequence. There was. When I moved him into his new tank he was not breathing, the body and fins just twitching. Stress>shock>sudden death. In your case it's even more puzzling, but it may just come with the territory. Just an aside. Some years ago I was with a friend collecting Discus in Brasil. There was a river there that had a beautiful strain of Heckel discus. Only problem was that if you caught one and put it in a collecting pan, the fish would be dead within minutes. For some reason, they could not withstand the stress of being captured. There was speculation on the part of the fisherman that they could not tolerate any increase in waste products in their water and so would stress and die. So we didn't even try to capture any of this population. It's small consolation but I'm sure it's demise had nothing to do with you. Good luck in your search for another one of these magnificent fish.
 
sorry for your lose. I sort of had a similar experience notho2000 was talking about. I upgraded my 120 to 180 and when I put the heckelli in the new tank I thought he was a goner all other fish where fine. but he turned almost black and sat on the bottom for a long time. but he lived. so maybe this was a stress related thing but that doesn't seem to be the case
 
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