Feeding Feeders
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Number 1: Dogs are not natural so saying unnatural would not make sense.hybridtheoryd16;2902935; said:
Number 2: Do pellets bring diseases?
Number 3: Do feeders have as much nutritional value as pellets?
Number 4: Most people feed a mix of foods like seafood, pellets and FD foods.
Number 5: Pelleted foods were live foods at one time or another.
And finally number 6: Pop a few
.Reason why to take feeders.
1. It is natural
2. It is nice seeing them do their natural behaviors
3. It gives them exercise.
4. It gives them something to do.
5. If you think it is cruel just look down on your plate during dinner time
6. Feeders don't cloud the water if uneaten
1. It is natural
2. It is nice seeing them do their natural behaviors
3. It gives them exercise.
4. It gives them something to do.
5. If you think it is cruel just look down on your plate during dinner time
6. Feeders don't cloud the water if uneaten
i do not see a reason why I need toI<3fish;2902946; said:Number 1: Dogs are not natural so saying unnatural would not make sense.Dogs are not natural? I have no idea what you are saying here.
Number 2: Do pellets bring diseases? do you eat pellets? If they are so good then why do you eat meats and vegies then? You could eat bagged dog food, it has all the nutrients that you would need right.
Number 3: Do feeders have as much nutritional value as pellets?feeders have all of the natural nutrition that fish need. If they are predators.
Number 4: Most people feed a mix of foods like seafood, pellets and FD foods.Fresh uncooked Seafood is great it represents the closest thing we can get to live. Unless you have the means of starting a shrimp hachery.
Number 5: Pelleted foods were live foods at one time or another.
And finally number 6: Pop a few
. There is nothing said here that is untrue. And if that hurts or seems argumentative then there might be a reason why it feels like that.
hybridtheoryd16;2902935; said:If live food is your fish's natural diet then feed it live. I love how people get all worked up about people being cruel to fish by over stocking tanks and and keeping brackish fish in freshwater, and all that stuff. But when someone comes on here and says they feed there fish live foods they freak out and say that there is no reason to and that feeding live has no nutrition. If you do your homework, you'll realize that feeders don't have nearly as much nutritional value compared to a high quality pellet diet...even when gutloaded.
And will then suggest starving a fish and forcing it to do something that goes totally against nature, and that is perfectly fine. -------------Well i got news for you if you were to take a dog or even a human and starve it and force it to eat something that was unnatural for it.
Do you not feed your dog dogfood? Do you not feed your cat catfood? It's the same concept.Do you give your dogs and cats live small mammals to eat everyday because it seems like the natural thing to feed them? If you say yes, I won't believe you.
You would be breaking the law and could be brought up on charges and possibly face jail time for doing so. But because these are fish and there are no laws guarding them people get to starve them and miss treat them daily with no repercussion. I don't feed my dogs leaves and grass and i don't feed my cats carrots and green beans.
I think that's about the most ignorant statement I've read since I've joined MFK. Feeding fish a high quality pellet diet isn't even close to the same thing as forcing a dog to eat leaves and grass. Think about things before you say them.
Some of you might but that seems wrong to me. And so does feeding a predator fish pellet foods--------------------------------------------------------You can't feed a fish there natural diet safely then you do not deserve to have that fish. A responsible fish keeper would make there tank and diet as close to nature as we can.
And that means if your fish eats live foods naturally then set up a couple of large feeder tanks and make the feeders safe and disease free and then feed them. keep one tank for new feeders and treatments and the other for feeding from.
Except for the part about not deserving to have a fish if you don't feed it feeders
screwy....I agree with the last part of what you said. If you are going to feed feeders, raise them yourself so you know they're disease free. I am very fortunit to have a very good LFS here, and they bring in high quality feeders and keep them healthy. When choosing feeders you should choose them the same way you would choose your fish, look for disease in the tank, look for odd behaviour that would show signs of disease. Keep the feeders fed so that their immune systems are up to fight off problems.
I don't understand how people can say that feeders are lacking in nutritional value. Damn all the wild fish must be so unhealthy. They are not eating all that processed food that we love to feed and cloud and dirty up waters. I just think that feeding live is actually the more healthy way to go as long as you feed something that would be found natural in their enviroment, and mix up what you feed.
I don't understand how people can say that feeders are lacking in nutritional value. Damn all the wild fish must be so unhealthy. They are not eating all that processed food that we love to feed and cloud and dirty up waters. I just think that feeding live is actually the more healthy way to go as long as you feed something that would be found natural in their enviroment, and mix up what you feed.
dr_sudz;2903536; said:
Wrong again. Let's do the dog comparison again like Hybridtheory did. If he eats a small live mammal or equivalant every day I'm sure he would be fine. Now put him on a high quality man made dog food like Hill's Science Diet or Eukanuba and I guarantee he'll be all around healthier. He'll have a shinier coat, have healthier teeth and gums, stronger bones, muscles, organs etc and live a longer life.
Another thing, you can't look at the feeders in the tank at your lfs and tell if they're diseased or not. You also don't get to pick which feeders you want. They just scoop out a bunch of them from the hundreds or thousands that are in there. Try saying, "I want that one, and that one and that one etc". They'll say you're nuts.
The first time you lose a fish to parasites, you'll change your tune.
I didn't vote because there aren't enough options on the poll. I'm one of those guys that LOVES to feed feeders to my fish because it's amazing to watch them hunt. BUT, I feed feeders very, very rarely because I understand that my enclosed environment is not the same as the fish's natural environment and feeder fish are not normally found in my fishes' natural environment either. It's true that it's natural for some fish to eat live food, that's just common sense. But it's also common sense that that natural food is NOT goldfish and we need to provide the nutritional value of the natural diet as close as we possibly can and sometimes pellets and frozen foods are the only way to do that. Again, that's just common sense.
im not saying you should be picking from the diseased feeder bin, I am saying you look at all the potential feeders and see if you want to pull from the lot or not.
Its kind of funny because I have a baby Peacock bass and I fed it feeders and with in a few weeks it had grown nice and plump and quite a few inches.
I picked up a baby arowana (approx same size at purchase) but by then the Pbass was to big to put in with the arowana, and i couldn't get the baby feeders I was hoping for and was feeding it the alternative foods, and the arowana didn't grow nearly as fast as the Pbass did on a full diet of feeders. The thing to remember that tropical fish will not normally find gold fish in the wild, so you are altering the diet from the natural anyways, but again if you are able to get your hands on good tropical fish that you can use for feeders your even better. Dogs may look better on man made foods, but in the wild they don't get easy lunches ether. Dogs in the wild would have to go a few days between meals at times, this isn't good for most if you are looking for a nice plump silky fur and healthy.
Its kind of funny because I have a baby Peacock bass and I fed it feeders and with in a few weeks it had grown nice and plump and quite a few inches.
I picked up a baby arowana (approx same size at purchase) but by then the Pbass was to big to put in with the arowana, and i couldn't get the baby feeders I was hoping for and was feeding it the alternative foods, and the arowana didn't grow nearly as fast as the Pbass did on a full diet of feeders. The thing to remember that tropical fish will not normally find gold fish in the wild, so you are altering the diet from the natural anyways, but again if you are able to get your hands on good tropical fish that you can use for feeders your even better. Dogs may look better on man made foods, but in the wild they don't get easy lunches ether. Dogs in the wild would have to go a few days between meals at times, this isn't good for most if you are looking for a nice plump silky fur and healthy.
my roommate would occasionally put feeders in my tank. that pissed me off. i'm sure that's how they got a fungal infection. my oscar lost an eye.
feeders are an unnecessary risk.
i feed my fish hikari cichlid gold, hikari cichlid bio gold, hikari sinking carnivore pellets, hikari freeze dried krill, and hikari frozen blood worms.
feeders are an unnecessary risk.
i feed my fish hikari cichlid gold, hikari cichlid bio gold, hikari sinking carnivore pellets, hikari freeze dried krill, and hikari frozen blood worms.
