Feeding large cichlids

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Before I start, I go on record saying to feed low quality food every day can lead to fish problems or death...that being said my go to food disappeared. I have been buying tetra cichlid sticks in 6.5lb buckets for as long as I can remember. Now I can only find little 11oz or whatever. I would use this food approximately 2x per week while mixing in krill, spirulina, peas, some human food, massivore, new life spectrum, southern delight, you name it. But to save money I'd fill their bellies couple times a week with the cheaper floating sticks. I found the key is variety and even more important a day or two consecutively without processed foods letting digestive tract completely empty. Back to the point. When I couldn't find my go to staple, I searched for plan "B" which seemed expensive. My goal is less than $250 per year on fish food. You can easily make that back selling fry. I found a game fish variety in 22lbs bucket for $80. After checking the nutritional facts and ingredients found it to be very similar to the floating cichlid sticks I been using for decades. Now remember, feeding your fish this daily without variety they will probably explode. But for the responsible feeders on a budget I will post link below. I feed everything to every fish. The strictly predators even get peas. I believe in the wild the fish they eat have algae or veggie matter in its gut. I feed my herbivores krill occasionally believing they eat little shrimps and bugs and stuff on their aquatic salads and so on...and now they all get bluegill/crappie food once or twice a week. Feed responsibility and maintain water parameters parameters and remember the life of a $5 fish is equal in importance as the $100 fish


 
Before I start, I go on record saying to feed low quality food every day can lead to fish problems or death...that being said my go to food disappeared. I have been buying tetra cichlid sticks in 6.5lb buckets for as long as I can remember. Now I can only find little 11oz or whatever. I would use this food approximately 2x per week while mixing in krill, spirulina, peas, some human food, massivore, new life spectrum, southern delight, you name it. But to save money I'd fill their bellies couple times a week with the cheaper floating sticks. I found the key is variety and even more important a day or two consecutively without processed foods letting digestive tract completely empty. Back to the point. When I couldn't find my go to staple, I searched for plan "B" which seemed expensive. My goal is less than $250 per year on fish food. You can easily make that back selling fry. I found a game fish variety in 22lbs bucket for $80. After checking the nutritional facts and ingredients found it to be very similar to the floating cichlid sticks I been using for decades. Now remember, feeding your fish this daily without variety they will probably explode. But for the responsible feeders on a budget I will post link below. I feed everything to every fish. The strictly predators even get peas. I believe in the wild the fish they eat have algae or veggie matter in its gut. I feed my herbivores krill occasionally believing they eat little shrimps and bugs and stuff on their aquatic salads and so on...and now they all get bluegill/crappie food once or twice a week. Feed responsibility and maintain water parameters parameters and remember the life of a $5 fish is equal in importance as the $100 fish



I may have to try that product my Datnoid eats like a pig lol. Like you stated variety is the key.
 
I have also successfully used game fish pellets for omnivores, and trout pellets for carnivores when I lived near a tractor/farm supply type feed store in Wisconsin.
At $20 for 50lbs back in the late 80s, it was great deal, but I had to be really careful to not allow it to get moldy, and deteriorate in the fish room, so mostly froze the bulk not being immediately used. .
For vegetarians I needed to supplement catfish pellets with vitamin drops
 
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Duanes brought up an important topic. Vitamins. Sometimes (try at least once a month) soak pellets is a bowl of fish tank water with epsom salt and a dissolved multi vitamin like prenatal or daily complete vit for men. Whatever laying around. This could be done weekly but eliminate the epsom except once a month or two
 
Terrific thread, thanks for posting this. Too many keepers, especially of "monster" fish, are situated at opposite extremes of the range of thought regarding feeding their fish. Those at one end of this range think that a tank full of piranhas, peacock bass, arowanas or whatever just needs a couple dozen feeder goldfish tossed in every few days; feeding is often done for a group of buddies fortified with alcohol or other recreational drugs. At the opposite extreme, we have the guys who have read every technical paper ever published about every obscure aspect of fish nutrition, and who make sure that the food they use is absolutely "perfect"...as if every species of fish had the exact same dietary requirements...

Back in my early days in the hobby, it was common practice for Trout Chow to be sold to and used by keepers of big fish, and I was as guilty as most of overusing this high-protein stuff for carnivore, omnivore and herbivore alike. Even then I was aware that it was way too high in protein for many of these fish, and I always made sure to supplement their diets with greens in some form. I also made up my own fish food by combining duckweed, dandelion leaves/flowers, peas, shrimp, bait minnows, mayflies (could easily collect hundreds of pounds of these during the annual hatch back then), earthworms and assorted other goodies in a blender, mixing it with gelatin, allowing it to set and then cutting into cubes and freezing. This ever-changing blend, along with the Trout Chow, formed the basic diet for most of my fish. I supplemented with whole nightcrawlers, mayflies, krill or minnows regularly.

I've got to look into those Gamefish Pellets mentioned above; wasn't aware they existed but they sound promising.

Like others have stated, I think that the variety is key for success when feeding this way. If you are going to feed strictly a prepared diet (I'm not) AND if you believe that our understanding of the nutritional requirements of fish is complete enough that the "best" pellets are nutritionally complete (I don't) AND if you will accept the notion that feeding a single "perfect" food is really the ideal solution (I won't)...then logic dictates that supplement feeding of any "less-than-perfect" food is nutritionally deleterious for the fish. If you have the perfect food, then each mouthful is nutritionally complete. Anything added as a supplement or a treat is, by definition, a negative.

I believe that fish, as living creatures, deserve more than being treated like engines that require only fuel. I try to the best of my ability to provide a stimulating environment, which includes a variety of different foods which, taken as a whole, provide an overall complete diet. Each mouthful of food is not necessarily nutritionally complete...but by the end of the week or the month, the total food intake of the animal constitutes a reasonably complete nutritional package.

Trust me, this isn't motivated by laziness or cheapness on my part. I definitely am both lazy and cheap to a degree, but feeding fish this way takes way more effort than just opening a can or bottle and shaking out some pellets. Assembling all the ingredients isn't free, but admittedly it can usually be done for a relatively low cash expenditure, especially compared to premium-grade prepared foods. You are paying with your time and effort more than with your wallet. For some, expending this effort satisfies our ethical requirements as they relate to the husbandry of aquarium fish; believe it or not, this is one of the parts of the hobby that make it satisfying and fun. :)
 
mr cichlid mr cichlid that Amazon listing in your link includes the following:

Question:
What are the ingredients?
Answer:
Here is the ingredients for this product:
Wheat, Poultry By-Product Meal, Fish Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Hydrolyzed Poultry
Feather Meal, Corn Distillers Dried Grains with Solubles, Dehulled Soybean Meal, … see more
By Natural Waterscapes LLC SELLER on October 2, 2020

I don't know about you but I find that list a bit disturbing. "Feather meal"? Wow.

KATALEKEEPER KATALEKEEPER the link you provide looks interesting; low-protein and low-fat as well. Too bad they don't seem to provide any info beyond that, this one looks promising.
 
To piggyback off that awesome post... earthworms are like cichlid steroids. But don't just go to bait shop and buy them. They are mass farmed and could easily transfer parasites. Collecting in yard or when up fishing is much better. When making homemade food remember some parasites can withstand extreme cold but have difficulty transferring from salt to fresh and vise versa. So I use saltwater fish in my cichlid feed. Whatever the local store has cut off for trash or didn't sell and is expiring. I'm also punching pennies. But shrimp, white fish, oyster, etc. My fish don't like the real oily like salmon and tuna. Mix with veggies spinach, peas whatever but not corn. Put in some garlic and even little of their favorite pellets. Cut well. Put something making it coagulate then freeze. I don't like feeding grass hoppers because of their hard sharp legs but I do buy a little container of prawns at chinese market for $3.99 which is like monster krill and would cost $25 in pet store.
 
... earthworms are like cichlid steroids. But don't just go to bait shop and buy them. They are mass farmed and could easily transfer parasites. Collecting in yard or when up fishing is much better.

That's one of the fun things! If you haven't crept around on your lawn after a rainstorm in the middle of the night, with a can strapped to each of your calves, a headlamp on your forehead and a big nightcrawler firmly clenched in each hand as they struggle to withdraw into their burrows...you haven't lived! :) I did this as a kid to sell the crawlers to bait shops; collected them on golf courses. Nowadays I just take them for my own use, and confine my collecting to my own property so that I can be sure to avoid pesticides and other nasties. There is a degree of finesse required to pull the whole worm out of the ground without breaking it off; takes practice and a delicate touch. Once you master it, getting the whole worm becomes easy and they can be kept alive and healthy for long periods before feeding. If they break off, the ends (tails) just go into the gelatin food mix; the broken piece that snaps back into the ground is the head and will regrow the chunk you stole.

You can also collect them in areas that have a good population density of worms by driving a couple lengths of rebar or other steel rods straight down about 2 feet into damp soil . Connect the two rods to the terminals of a car battery, and the resulting current will often drive worms to the surface, even in daylight on overcast days. If you just want a small number for immediate use, this method can be productive but lacks the sporting component of actual worm stalking. :)
 
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