Festae Feeding Advice

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Enigmatic96

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Hello, hopefully someone can help me out as I am being to worry.

Long story short (probably won't be that short):
I acquired this pair of Festae around 1.5months ago. The male was around 7 inches and the female around 6-6.5inches. When I first got them I placed them in a 75G. A week later they decided to breed and produced a successful spawn which I have growing out in another tank (but that is a whole different topic). While in this tank they were very shy and would hide whenever the tank was approached and I would have to drop the food right inside their caves for them too eat. (The previous owner told me that they didn't have much human contact so they are very shy)
So after the fry were free swimming for a week I moved Dad, Mum and the fry to my 180G tank where I put them in alone. I was recommended to feed them Northfin Carnivore so I purchased that too try it. I use a pill cutter to cut the food in half as it is slightly too big for it. When I first feed it they went straight for it and ate a few pellets each (I am guessing they were very hungry) but as time has gone on they seem to either accept it one day and not accept it another. Mum is generally a very good eater and will eat a few pellets a day. But dad is not so great and will generally eat max 1-1.5 pellets a day. However, lately dad has been taking the food into his mouth and then spitting it out. I feel this has happened ever since I gave in and feed him some live black worms (I understand this was most likely a mistake on my part and now he doesn't want the pellets) although he has always been an on and off eater. I am starting to worry that he may have an internal parasite as this may be lowering his appetite and preventing weight gain. I tried treating with praziquantel a week ago and will be administering the second does as recommended this week but so far I have seen no change. I perform a 20-25% water change 2-3 times a week. If it is an indicator of anything I believe they are going to spawn again soon, they have been digging a pit next to a cave and have been "dancing" or fan each other with their tails like they did last time.
I am lost for ideas as every other festae I have had have hand feed.
I have included pictures of both the male and female as well as a video. I tried to capture them the best I could. I don't think dad has eaten much more then 1 Northfin Carnivore pellet in around 6-7 days.
Please not the silver dollars have just been added yesterday after I pulled their fry that was a bit over a month old. They seem to bring the festae out more, but as soon as I remove the lid to feed them they go and hide.
Also, if you are recommending a Internal Parasite medication I am located in Australia where most are only available by prescription from a vet.
Apologises for the long post I wanted to make sure that I could give as much information as possible, as well as the dirty back wall in the tank.


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In 1.5 months they have had two tank moves, new fish added and mediated. Give them some time to settle, ime it can take a few months before they properly settle. He will eat when he is ready. Unless there is any symptoms to suggest they have a illnesses I wouldn't medicate.
 
I agree with Dan, and will add this......

I was recommended to feed them Northfin Carnivore so I purchased that too try it. I use a pill cutter to cut the food in half as it is slightly too big for it.

I don't know who recommended a 10 mm pellet, with 50% protein, and approx 10% crude fat for your fish, but they were wrong, dead wrong. To a 3 ft long cold water sturgeon, sure, but not a 6-8" festae. Whoa. This type of power feeding logic defies logic. If you are a NF fan, get some of the 4mm Jumbo Fish formula. The pellet size, and nutrient level, in that formula are far more suitable to fish your size, and your fish will find them easier to chew/swallow, and digest, vs attempting to pound back 10mm pellets, even if they are cut in half. Even my foot long midas has to chew for a bit before he swallows a 6mm pellet, and will gladly suck up 3mm pellets as well. There is a fine line when it comes to pellet size, and you are way over that line amigo.
 
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In 1.5 months they have had two tank moves, new fish added and mediated. Give them some time to settle, ime it can take a few months before they properly settle. He will eat when he is ready. Unless there is any symptoms to suggest they have a illnesses I wouldn't medicate.
Would recommend leaving the lights off for a while to help?
 
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I agree with Dan, and will add this......



I don't know who recommended a 10 mm pellet, with 50% protein, and approx 10% crude fat for your fish, but they were wrong, dead wrong. To a 3 ft long cold water sturgeon, sure, but not a 6-8" festae. Whoa. This type of power feeding logic defies logic. If you are a NF fan, get some of the 4mm Jumbo Fish formula. The pellet size, and nutrient level, in that formula are far more suitable to fish your size, and your fish will find them easier to chew/swallow, and digest, vs attempting to pound back 10mm pellets, even if they are cut in half. Even my foot long midas has to chew for a bit before he swallows a 6mm pellet, and will gladly suck up 3mm pellets as well. There is a fine line when it comes to pellet size, and you are way over that line amigo.

Would you say that is why he takes the pellet in his mouth and then spits it out? Does the jumbo formula sink like the carnivore? As they only seem to eat when the food sinks. I’m guessing my best point of action would be to get the smaller pellet and keep trying with that instead of getting them live blackworms just so they eat?
So, I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I see you help people on the forums all the time
 
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Yes, the 4mm sinks. If they still hold off, try presoaking the pellets in the juice of frozen bloodworms. That should change their mind, then slowly wean them off the BW juice, until they are back on 100% dry pellets. Good luck.
 
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Nice pair of Festaes.
 
And I agree with the others, they are a very nice pair!
 
My male is super finicky, the only thing he will reliably eat are algae wafers, sometimes a bit of shrimp, he wont touch blood worms, he seems to like foraging through gravel though, id try sinking pellets
 
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