filter gph vs. effectiveness

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nc_nutcase;1930252; said:
I personally feel that “bio-filtration” is one of the best industry hypes that the aquarium trade has produced. I have several tanks that are running off of an AC HOB with one sponge and no rings… no other ‘bio-media’ what so ever… and they have zero ammonia and zero nitrites 100% of the time…

I don't think that it's a "hype" but I do think that a lot of fishkeepers especially at MFK support rediculous overfiltration. I have a 75G with 10+ 8" or more goldfish and have been using a single AC 110/500 on it for years with nothing more than 2 sponges and no biomax (the old model did not come with biomax), I haven't had a trace of ammonia or nitrite on it after the first cycle years ago but the problem is that without massive frequent water changes it's nitrates shoot up to 40 ppm within a week. The tank is crystal clear too. Personally, I feel it's good to have 2 filtration units on 1 system for backup purposes.
 
I don't think anyone had to strain their eyes to read that one. :D To fix the font size, you highlight what you want to resize and then click on "sizes" next to the "fonts" in the message window. They are both in the top tool bar when you write your post.

Bio-filtration isn't hype. You have a healthy bacteria colony in the AC sponge.
 
My view, I like to run my sump fast so the water contacts the biomedia more often. I then run my canister slowly, for mechanical filtration, I think the slower mechanical filters run, the better the water.

I have an off the topic question kind of. When my cycled got to .25 ammonia and .25 nitrite, I started doing big water changes each week, and always had 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite and 40 nitrate. however when I went on vacation and didn’t change water for 2 weeks I ended up with .50 ammonia and .25 nitrite when I got back, I am thinking I basically paused my cycle by doing water changes. What do you think?
 
CHOMPERS;1930606; said:
Bio-filtration isn't hype. You have a healthy bacteria colony in the AC sponge.

Exactly! Bio-Filtration is taken care of with something as simple as a sponge, and all the other media on the market is the hype…

And as I said before, the Bio-Media does allow the bacteria colony to reproduce faster and therefore better accommodate changes in the bio-load of a tank… but how often do you have a sudden change? Only when I add fish or allow waste to decay in large amounts… both of those things are in my control so they can easily be accounted for…

…and sorry about the font size on page one…
 
nc_nutcase;1930252; said:
As stated above… we have to separate mechanical and bio-filtration in both our minds and our words…

Nothing is more important than gph… for mechanical filtration… yet for bio filtration gph is a minimal impact…

I personally feel that “bio-filtration” is one of the best industry hypes that the aquarium trade has produced. I have several tanks that are running off of an AC HOB with one sponge and no rings… no other ‘bio-media’ what so ever… and they have zero ammonia and zero nitrites 100% of the time…

It is completely true and valid that with nicely modified bio-filtration, the bacteria colony can increase much (much, much) faster to accommodate an increase of bio-load (I.e. adding fish)… But without such bio-filtration bacteria will still form throughout the tank/filters and do everything that they will do in fancy bio-media set ups.

Based on the above understanding, I feel that bio-media is a nice safety net to have in place, but is far from “necessary”.


I personally like for my filtration to handle the bulk of the waste that accumulates in the tank. Therefore I use high flow rates to push the waste to the filter’s intake.

One can very validly argue that this is also unnecessary as the owner can easily remove the waste during regularly scheduled maintenance. I could not argue that point at all…


In the end… enough water movement to prevent stagnation and to promote oxygenation is necessary… beyond that there are a lot of paths to take in improving filtration to account for other things… such as nurturing a bacteria colony or removing waste…


This is the philosophy I’ve come up with after screwing things up for man years… and finally finding a method that works for me…

I wish you the best of luck finding an approach/philosophy that works for you…

I completely agree with your method. I have my 125g set up to a turnover rate of 18 gallons per hour (my original was 10gph) and it keeps my water clear as hell! However, I do keep a good amount (not crazy) of bio-media in my sump and my 2 HOB's. I haven't had a problem with my water params ever since I increased my flow rate and added a little more bio-media.
 
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