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CANAMONSTER

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Just wondering what you Ray guys prefer for filtration in regards to drip system or not.
I'm really heading towards the Ray game and just trying to gather some good info. I ask this question because it is said that gallon for gallon drip (dilution) as a way to exchange water is not as effective as remove and replace. Just want your thoughts on this. Thanks.
 
Drip all the way, much better than having to change lots of water in one go. My drip (more of a flow) comes on by timer twice a day for about 3 hrs at a time. Keeps eveything in check. I think if i didnt drip i would have big problems.
 
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Drip all the way, much better than having to change lots of water in one go. My drip (more of a flow) comes on by timer twice a day for about 3 hrs at a time. Keeps eveything in check. I think if i didnt drip i would have big problems.

Ah so water flows out as water comes in just those three times. In between those three times nothing is moving. Cool!

I also agree for larger tanks this is the best way.

How about chlorine/chloramine from the new water coming in, is this a concern?
I like the way your drip is as this would give the chlorine a chance to dissipate.
 
Need to run the drip through a HMA filter. I do this 2 times a day, not 3 as you state. 2 times a day for 3 hours each time. The HMA takes any chlorine out of the water.
 
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This should create some Chaos!

Manual water changes...either you love them or you despise them. I love it 99% of the time,except the 1 % when I am on holidays and need someone else to step in and do it.

Manual water changes are relaxing and the hands on keeps my equipment working and fish healthy. It's also less expensive and more reliable in my opinion because you actually take old water out and put new water in not mix new water with tank water and have to rely on filters keeping stuff from entering. I have no fancy things to filter this out,no fancy things to do that,no meters reading this..... Just a sump with media,uv sterilizer and manual water changes! My setup doesn't look like the Frankstein of filtration and hasn't done me wrong.

It's always been manual water changes and simple filtration for me and I have NEVER lost a stingray for mysterious reasons with this method. Pups or adults! I have lots of rays and currently stand at 14 with more on the way. I have only lost 3 pups due to the adults chewing on them before I could get to them,2 wild caughts died way back in the day that were basically dead when I got them and couldn't be saved and 2 cb juveniles died due to me overdosing on copper while treating wc big clown loaches as I had no safe med list for rays at the time. That's it that's all and I could explain every one. That was easy!

Nobody tells you or wants to tell you how many rays they have lost but I have seen,read on forums and know through other people that adult rays are being lost and even entire batches of pups being lost and the tanks are all on drips. Just coincidence? Probably not! Why do people want to over look the drips or maybe their overkill as maybe being the culprit? Maybe it's because they are so wound up in the convience part that they overlook what could be the simple reason for their mysterious ray deaths. If drips and all the contraptions that you have hooked up aren't the reason then why don't I lose rays mysteriously with simple filtration and manual water changes? Better fish keeper or Maybe it's because I pay more attention to my rays? Maybe ,maybe not. I know lots of ray keepers in my area and the majority of them are on drips or have been on drips in the past and they have all lost pups and adults for mysterious reasons. They blame the water quality coming in the house, parasites, breeding stress(maybe the odd time but that's usually neglect and not paying attention to get the ray moved or divided), even the food they fed gets blamed. But never have I heard someone say "Hey, maybe it's my drip and crazy frankenstein filtration". Keep it simple and you will be fine! KISS METHOD. Throw a pump in the tank(bigger the pump the faster the water change, I use a laguna 900) to remove the water and use a python to fill it back up, not long at all and no wasted water using the python to drain it. Make sure you use a water conditioner like seachem prime.

Almost forgot...Not to mention it's almost not fesible to do a drip system if you are putting your tanks in a finished basement. What happens when your tanks are no where near plumbing or drains? Who wants to spend the money to chop up their basement and buy equipment to run water to the tank and then run a drain line back to the laundy room. Drips=higher water bill(yes I have to pay for water ),higher powerbill(heaters run more unless you are using a mix valve),higher maintenance cost and it's also just one more thing that can break down,leak,flood your basement or maybe the reason why your rays are dying?


Do you DRIP WATER CHANGE your toilet?
No, you FLUSH it with new water.

To each his own but manual water changes and simple filtration for me. Tanks are cleaner,rays are healthy and breeding so something must be right with the KISS method.

Hey I can hear the crickets as my tanks are so quite!
 
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Well said! Drip is for convenience IMO.
I was on a discus site and if you talk to anyone who has been successfully Breeding and keeping discus not one uses the drip. Over there i was told that dilution is far from Re and Re in terms good husbandry.
I was lead to believe that 10 gallons dripping in and 10g draining out simultaneously would be equivalent to 10g removed then 10g replaced like a manual WC. Far from it.
I don't know the exact numbers but in order to compare to a 10g maual water change you would have to drip many many times that amount in gallons.

I like the idea of the drip for the convenience especially if you have multiple tanks but I hear what you are saying Trevor, for rays it isn't in there best interest but yours.
 
I always wondered why Discus Hans doesn't have a drip in his facility.
 
I never used drip and always liked the hands on approach that blkpiranha explained.it worked well for me but I had to devote a lot of time to maintenance but felt it was worth it when I was rewarded with large healthy litters. everyone is going to have a different opinion and results.
 
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I am a hands on guy myself and the new 600 will be also. Like to get in and play.
 
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