thanks deeda and cakilla, i agree with the support for the stand, and i've never thought about supporting the sump till you guys have mentioned it. i will get my self a plywood sometime soon, and the 2 x 4 that use to support the middle of the stand is actually under the sump supporting the sump lol, so i will have to make change to that, and thanks for the good words, i look forward to see your tank and pond, (you know you should just go with the pond right away lol) and the pond with glass idea is awesome, except i can't do it here in canada, or else the fish will be come popsicle. so you can bet i will be the first to see your pond and tank once you have set it up and post it on MFK!